Saturday, March 12, 2005

Iraqi goverment supports Mojahideen!

Good morning, afternoon and evening, wherever you are...
Its a beautiful shiny day here in Baghdad, its Saturday morning, and it hardly stopped raining since Thursday morning, or the night before, and till last night, the rain was very beautiful too: it brings hope, and it smells beautiful, and it cleans everything, including the sadness in my heart, I love rain! its one of the romantic things in life. I took two long walks under the rain, and went back totally wet, but happy, still, it would be great if they invent something to auto clean the glasses while raining, this is the only thing I missed during my walks;)
Today... The sun is strong and proud, its not hiding behind any clouds, I feel like it can't wait to enter every house and meet everyone to say good morning, with a big smile on the face, what a beautiful silly sun:)
Its important, to learn to get happiness, from the small things in life, I had to spend a lot of time with a friend that can't appreciate the beauty of what he sees, if we are in a beautiful garden, he would only notice the broken tree on the side and talk about it, if we see a beautiful house, he only notices the dirty window and talks about it, if we have a great meal, he only notices that all the spoons aren't alike, and that one of them belongs to another set. my friend, suspects everyone, and never trusts anyone, I know people that work with us, that have hearts of gold, that refuse to take money sometimes in return of their work cause they love us, that are willing to offer anything they have if we need it, but yet, he doesn't trust them, and thinks that they want to rob him somehow, one day.
I can't help not to feel sorry for him, he is lonely, and will always be, no matter how many people are around him.
Never mind! I am just mumbling in a loud voice:)
on one of the Iraqi TV channels, a governmental channel, there is a daily show that started recently, where police, interrogates real criminals that were arrested in Iraq, in front of the camera, we don't get to see the police faces, we only hear their voices, while the camera is focused on the criminals' faces, zooming in and out, all the time.
those criminals are "terrorists" that the Iraqi police and the un-national guard arrested, and they are the ones that are doing -supposedly- the beheading and the killing of the national guard and police operations, and also the kidnapping and stealing, rape and thefts, and every other thing that you might think of.
The police ask them: why do you do that?
For money, sir!
How much are you getting paid?
100$ for an operation, sir!
And what do you do with that money?
We buy alcohols and drugs, sir!
What is your advice for all the terrorists that are still fighting?
I advice them to surrender, sir, and to cooperate with the authorities, sir!

This is exactly what each and every one of them said, since the show started, and till today, showing many of them a day, and then you learn details about some of those criminals: they confess that they kidnapped girls and raped them, then slaughtered them. One of them, has a big beard, and then they tell us he is gay and was caught having sex with another man inside the mosque.
Another one, confessed that his mother is a pimp, and that his friends used to come to his house to "have fun" with his sisters.
And the story goes on..
And while these "confessions" are about to be over, this question should always come:
where does that money come from?
from the Syrian intelligence, sir!
and then the policeman voice, preaches them, telling them how low they are, and what kind of disgusting creatures they are, and how they stained the word "jihad" and how hypocrite they are, pretending to be mojahideen while they are hardly humans, and the policeman would also say: if you were real mojahideen we -police- would have been the first to follow you, you are thieves, rapists and thugs. Can you see dear audience? Those are the mojahideen that you hear about in your country, those are the ones that are fighting, those are the so-called resistance, low scum that worth nothing, real Iraqis should help capture them whenever you see them, they deserve more than just killing, they deserve to be killed a hundred times, if they attack only Americans, if they were honest, we would have been the first to follow them!
end of story, Khalid's turn to speak :)
people in the street talk about this show, and they have different opinions, a lot say that its all a theatre just to discredit resistance and to blame Syria, the Iraqi so called government is waging its tale to the Americans and trying to find more things against Syria to support the issue of their masters, other think that those people are real people and that all what is said is true.
I believe that it might be true, and it might be a theatre, but its obviously a "designed" show for a particular purpose, to discredit resistance and attack Syria, and that all those chosen to be on TV, are actually scum and deserve all punishment for everything they did, they are mercenaries that are paid to kill, and attack national guards and police more than Americans, and beside there acts, they kill civilians and rape women and kidnap people, so they deserve all the punishment that they will get, but:
what about the rest of the resistance, that aren't put on TV? The honest people? The ones that are dedicating their lives to fight the occupation? The ones that volunteer all their money and time, and risk their lives without getting paid? does that mean that, if someone, was fighting the Americans while he isn't gay or a rapist, and wasn't paid by the Syrians, and doesn't kidnap people, and fights the Americans cause he have faith in his cause, if someone fights for moral reasons, and kills so many American solders every day, would he get the full support of the Iraqi government? :*)
Another question: if the police would follow any real mojahideen at once, then why don't they start their own mojahideen squad and fight the Americans, to be a good example for the rest of the Iraqis? :*)
man this is funny! Such a naive propaganda, with bad broadcasting quality and horrible shooting too, I could have done much better work myself, with the small experience I have in the film making world! Man they can't do anything right even the propaganda!but what is even more funny, is the position that the Iraqi "government" finds itself in:
they want to make a show that effects people, I mean, real people, people in the street, so they cant just say the crap that they always say in the media cause they know that nobody would listen and nobody would watch, so they forgot that Americans are our liberators and all, and the modified their attitude to be acceptable in the street, and to do that, they adopted a totally anti American/occupation attitude, supporting attacking the Americans, in order to incriminate those who attack the national guard basing on that they are fighting the wrong enemy, and that national guard and police are Iraqis! And at the same time, they are honoring mojahideen by saying that jihad is a very honorable value and that those criminals couldn’t be mojahideen (which i agree with), which means that they support the others that they don’t show on TV, who are the real mojahideen!
The Iraqi government, through this show confessed without knowing, that the regular Iraqi person, is anti American and anti occupation, so they tried to look anti American to attract viewers.
And at the same time the government confessed that jihad is a very legitimate and honorable thing, as long as it's done right: by attacking the American soldiers only.
Thank you very much propaganda makers!
You know what else is funny?
A joke, I received by email that I would like to share with you, hope to draw a smile on your face:)
An old Arab lived close to New York City for more than 40 years. He would have loved to plant potatoes in his garden, but he is alone, old and weak. His son is in college in Paris, so the old man sends him an e-mail. He explains the problem:
"Beloved son, I am very sad, because I can't plant potatoes in my garden. I am sure, if only you were here, you would help and dig up the garden for me, I love you, Your Father"
The following day, the old man receives a response e-mail from his son:
"Beloved Father, Please don't touch the garden. It's there that I have hidden 'the THING'.I love you too, Ahmed"
At 4pm the US Army, The Marines, the FBI, the CIA and the Rangers visit the house of the old man, take the whole garden apart, search every inch, but can't find anything. Disappointed they leave the house. A day later, the old man receives another e-mail from his son.
"Beloved Father, I hope the garden is dug up by now and you can plant your potatoes. That's all I could do for you from here. I love you, Ahmed."
hehe:)))
Thank you Katie:)
Have a good day all of you :)
Khalid*

39 Comments

#3/12/2005 06:54:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger emigre

Let it rain! Could your friend be a realist? Could you be an idealist?

A realist sees things as they are and acts, seeking improvement. An idealist imagines things as they could be and acts, seeking change.

A realist and an idealist are caught in the rain. "I am wet" says the realist - and so he is. The realist goes inside and finds a towel. The idealist opens up his arms, turns his face to the clouds and imagines all the plants growing. When the idealist returns home he is refreshed and inspired to write for the betterment of humankind (and the realist has some dry clothes ready for him).

So long as the two have a shared goal in common, they can together build a strong structure - the idealist inventing new ways and the realist making refinements.

Julie Norem's book "The power of Negative Thinking" explores the "virtues of constructive pessimism".

 
#3/13/2005 09:45:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger Moron99

Em,

What do you call someone who thinks that the rain is intentionally aimed at them and stands outside cursing it and trying to push it back into the clouds?

I would call them an insurgent.

Here is a popular parable. A young man was trying to get a cow into the barn. The cow refused to move. The young man pushed the cow, he struck it with a stick, and he yelled at it. The cow did not move. An frail old lady happened by and offerred to get the cow to into the barn for him. The young man laughed because there was no way the lady could force the cow into the barn when he was much stronger and much more able to hurt the cow if it did not do what he wanted. The old lady removed a sugar cube from her pocket and led the cow into its stall.

So it is in Iraq. The more the terrorists shout and blow things up, the more entrenched the Americans will become in their efforts to protect the newborn governemnt. If the terrorists simply laid down their weapons and allowed the people of Iraq to prosper, then the Americans would leave.

 
#3/14/2005 01:40:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger emigre

What do I think moron99?

I think Bush is the boy with the stick, oil is the cow and that perhaps you can't appreciate the rain.

Insurgents? Never met one personally, I imagine one might draw an analogy with Girondists and the Jacobins. You have heard the story about the Girondists and the Jacobins, Moron99?

 
#3/14/2005 03:44:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger Moron99

Em,

you are obviously not an engineer or a math major. So, I will walk you through the numbers. The last estimate I heard for America's total cost of getting rid of Saddam is $500 billion dollars. Now, let us say that the "puppet government" agrees to sell 100% of it 2.5Mill barrels per day to the US at a 35% discount. That would certainly be better than any deal any sane analyst would have ever projected. Not only because the price of oil at time of invasion was $30 but also because no rational person would expect the EU to tolerate such an arrangement without economically penalizing the US through boycott and sanctions. Nonetheless, where is the break-even point? After how many years does this adventure become profitable for USA Inc.?

Now, before we derive the answer, I would like to mention something. The average automobile costs around $30,000 and requires approximately $12,000 in insurance, $4,000 in maintenance and $5,500 in fuel over its lifespan. The value of oil is relative. In a diversified economy, oil is not a growth industry and it is not one that creates significant benefit to society in either employment, finance, or technical advancement. In short, it is an undesireable industry for any nation that actively participates in the global economy. The very fact that a nation, any nation, percieves oil as the most valuable of commodities is a testament to that nations economic backwardness.

Back to math.

2.5MB/D = $137,500,000
a 35% discount represents a $48,125,000 savings per day.
It would take 10,389 days to repay the $500billion investment.
That's 28.46 years.

Such an investment would be sheer stupidity.

 
#3/14/2005 06:52:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger emigre

Welldone moron99

And here one imagines Bush's advisors trying to tell him exactly the same thing - but you know how he is with numbers.

LOL. You and I know how silly oil-digging is and can calculate the costly environmental impact, but our dear leaders just have no clue and as you say are not very good at the math.

Seeing as you seem interested in that kind of thing, you might like to visit this link (great article).

Ah, but enough with flippancy and entertaining ourselves in these fermentous times.

So back to old reality eh, where 28 years is a drop in the ocean - and aptly highlights why the Bush dynasty lines up genetic successors to democracies throne.

 
#3/14/2005 06:58:00 am Assalam Aleikom Anonymous Anonymous

moron99, you're wasting your time with emigre. she is a 9 year old muslim, so that means she is immature and bias in favor of terrorism and beheadings. she believes terrorism is ok if it is to please her god allah. what kind of god would approve of this? im a christian and the god i worship is nothing like that maniac allah that muslims love. my god doesnt approve of beheadings. emigre wouldnt understand that.

 
#3/14/2005 07:00:00 am Assalam Aleikom Anonymous Anonymous

moron99, you're wasting your time with emigre. she is a 9 year old muslim, so that means she is immature and bias in favor of terrorism and beheadings. she believes terrorism is ok if it is to please her god allah. what kind of god would approve of this? im a christian and the god i worship is nothing like that maniac allah that muslims love. my god doesnt approve of beheadings. emigre wouldnt understand that.

 
#3/14/2005 07:56:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger Moron99

Iraq has a great opportunity in front of it. Manufacturing, finance, and innovation are the basis of a healthy economy. Iraq could become the dominant financial power in the gulf if they diversify their economy. Oil is a curse. It attracts dictators and it allows government to exist without taxation. No taxation means no need to build an economy.

On another note, the average lifespan of a technology such as internal combustion engines is roughly 100 years. I expect to see fossil fuels to be replaced within the next 2-3 decades. Most gulf nations will suffer horribly when this happens. Their populations have increased ... but they lack the economic diversity to feed their people without oil.

 
#3/14/2005 08:23:00 am Assalam Aleikom Anonymous Anonymous

i think emigre, like khalid, supports the terrorists. it wouldn't surprise mf if emigre had something to do with the nightclub bombings in bali years ago. she needs to be dragged out into the street with her family and shot in the face too, just like khalid and his terrorist loving family

 
#3/14/2005 08:36:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger madtom

Hey I came here looking to judge the reaction to Khalids new article where as I see it he tries to bail water out of a sinking ship with a spoon. But no one is talking about it.
Where are all the usual suspects that defend and side with the resistance? Could it really be this bleak in the camps of the insurgents. Have they finally come to the end of their hit list. Maybe they will start to target livestock next.

 
#3/14/2005 08:49:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger Moron99

anonymous, if a child grows up under an abusive father do you label everyone in the city as a wife-beater? Do you say the child is inferior and deserves to be in such a household?

Someone coined a phrase .. post totalitarian disorder. That is Iraq in a nutshell. There is great comfort in having a clearly defined world and a clearly defined society. The transition to democracy represents a period of chaos as all the known rules no longer work and society sinks towards lawlessness. There is no option. Military domination would not work. It would only set the stage for another dictator. All we can do is try to keep the damage to a minimum while Iraq struggles to find itself.

As a nation, the Iraqi people have shown phenomenal wisdom, adaptability, and perserverance. They have had many opportunities to sink into a civil war, to go on a spree of revenge killings, to pursue ethnic cleansing, etc. etc. But they have not.

It is not an easy time to be an Iraqi. IMO, they have performed at a level far in excess of both Europe and America during similar times (Napolean, American civil war, Hitler, etc ...).

Your haste to label Muslims is unjust and unfounded.

 
#3/14/2005 11:43:00 am Assalam Aleikom Anonymous Anonymous

moron99, i dont remember many beheadings and carbombings happening after the american civil war. someone once coined the phrase "kill them all and let god sort 'em out". whoever said that was a wise man. sometimes two wrongs make a right and violence can only be stopped with more violence. if the muslims were all put on trains and shipped to concentration camps and killed, then the world would be a much better place. nothing good has ever come from a muslim country. they dont invent anything useful, they dont make good movies or music, they dont make strides in the world of medicine and science, they are only poor savage animals that prey upon the rest of the world like wild dogs. they are cockroaches that need to be exterminated quickly for the good of the world.

 
#3/14/2005 12:18:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger emigre

Anonymous

As far as I am aware both Islam and Christianity value life.

Not belonging to any religion myself. My spirituality, is one of analogy and weather. And so it is that I share Khalid's joy in meteorology's small pleasures - in the sleet and the dew, in the rain and the shine.

Give to me a hail of ice, I would choose it over bullets any day.

So. How to end war and ease totalitarian disorder - send to Khalid an army of poets, for apart from moron99's creative accounting the pro-war cavalry have proven a joyless lot (and apart from the occasional swimming pool, all Halliburton's subsidiaries seem to be building are oil refineries).

 
#3/14/2005 01:35:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger emigre

Anon

On America, carbombings and beheadings. Interesting parallels. At a stretch we can keep this on track with the threads titled post.

America's current ruling party, the Republicans, are politically related to the Republican movement in France. In fact, so close were they at one time that the Franch Republicans made a huge bronze statue and gave it to the American Republicans, who set it up in one of their harbours.

The French Republicans were, how can I break this gently to you anonymous. Well, they were revolutionists. They were a fractious bunch, a mash of various opinions united under one cause who later broke off into two branchs. The Girondists and the Jacobins. The Girondists were only slightly mellower and for a while held the balance of power in something of a makeshift government, the Jacobins held more extremist views and overthrew the Girondists. The Jacobins were responsible for declaring France's reign of terror and putting to work the guillotine and as we all know, countless heads rolled.

They didn't have cars back then, so no car-bombings as such. I imagine the streets were lined with horsecarts full of prisoners and headless bodies. An equally appalling mess.

So anonymous, your insurgents have more in common with George Bush then one might think. Not to be presumptious, but very interesting reading here. As double posting is to blogging, so is history to the almanac.

Hopefully, with each repetition humanity will eventually get the hang of making changes - harming itself less at each turn.

Personally, I'd rather head for the mountains and herd goats.

 
#3/14/2005 06:47:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger Moron99

excellent link Em.

I'd like to point out that America had a very successful group of terrorists who actually gained and held power for decades. They are known as the Klu Klax Klan and regularly engaged in hangings, murder, and dismemeberment whilst wearing the cloak to hide their faces.

Your link Em, makes me think of Iran more than Iraq (I hope that Iran can peacefully negotiate their counter-revolution). Iraq has a stabalizing force in place whose sole purpose is to prevent a reign of terror, an ethnic clensing, a killing field, a civil war, or a dictator.

I think deep down you realize this but I also understand why you reject the notion of an occuppier with benevolent intentions. Every person on the planet sees the world through their own eyes and they interpret events to be consistent with what life has taught them. You grew up in a dictatorship where the government existed for the benefit of its leader. Saddam was free to act autonomously and often pursued goals based upon power and greed. For you, government action does not make sense unless it has a central figure that acts upon a desire for power and money.

Welcome to modern democracy. All leaders, from mayor to president are political prostitutes. They are paid with votes and they do whatever they are told. They are free to act only if the people fail to speak and there are no rules against it. Even then, their actions can lead to a loss of votes so they must be careful. There is no strong-man. It is organized chaos with each politician struggling to please the people who hold the votes he needs. For nayors, this is the people of his city. For governors and senators, the people of his state. For congressmen the people of his district. And for presidents it is the entire nation. But nonetheless, each political prostitute has his clients and each can be thrown out if they fail to please. You will never understand western democracy until you learn to view the government as institutionalized political prostitution. And like prostitutes, politicians will do vile things if their voters tell them to. Fortunately, the heart of most men is good, and the voters will never tell their politician to do something that they believe is evil.

The key ingredient for democracy to work is trust. The government must trust the people and agree to become their servant. The people must learn to trust the government and give it the power required to be a productive servant. The post-totalitarian disorder syndrome is really just a natural course of events as the people and the government struggle to build each others trust and those that wish to re-establish totalitarian order seek to undermine the growing trust. Nobody ever said it was easy.

 
#3/14/2005 08:53:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Anonymous Anonymous

emigre, you wanted so hard to tell people your little story you read somewhere about the jacobins and girondists, which i think is nice and all, but sadly its all garbage. the first president considered to be a republican as we know them to be today is lincoln and the first "modern" republican president was reagan. he was the person that today's republicans have modeled their politics from. so your idea that bush has a lot in common with a bunch of crazy french people from the 1790s is insane at best, and a flat out lie at worst. i suggest you do more research instead of watching michael moore movies all night and believing everything he tells you about the world. movies like that are for small-minded fools. maybe you actually know something about history and politics, i dont know, but when it comes to US foreign policy and american history, dont make a fool of yourself by posting ignorant comments about things you know nothing about. now go eat cookie little girl. its almost bed time for you.

 
#3/14/2005 10:42:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger Moron99

Anonymous,

Why do you discount and criticize Emigre's thoughts without making any attempt to listen or understand? The aftermath of the French revolution directly relates to Iraq. A social order has been disrupted and people seek to make sense of the chaos. Political leaders step in and offer various solutions, many of which are built upon violence and intimidation. The point of Em's story is that western (and Eastern) transition away from totalitarian rule has always left a trail of blood and death. Considering the ruthlessness of Saddam and the depth of institutionalized hatred including tacit support by religion - I think Iraq has done exceptionally well. The people of the mideast should be proud that Iraq has not launched upon an ethnic clensing such as Bosnia, Rwanda, or Nazi Gremany. They have had no storming of the Bastille or bloodbath of the guillotine. There has been no purging of the proletariat and there has been no killing fields of the Khmer Rouge. The simple fact remains that by global standards the social revolutions in Iraq (and Lebanon) are amoung the most civilised to ever transpire.

I think it is you who needs to open your mind and broaden your horizons. America would not exist if not for the teachings of Islam. It was Islam that influenced the returning crusaders and led to the works of John Locke. Without Locke, there would be no democratic America. There would be no social contract of government "for the people, by the people, of the people".

These Muslims that you so fondly wish to tread upon are every bit the equal of any westerner. They have been tread upon by Romans, Mongols, crusaders, European Empires, and now their own dictators (fueled by western money gained through the sale of oil).

I propose that the Muslims are an asset to humanity. The birthplace of civilization and the holders of a religion that gave rise to democracy. After two millenia of being abused, it is natural for them to be angry and distrustful. You can not expect them to accept the gift of democracy without misgivings. The west needs to follow the path of Jesus and give them love, not hate. Help them to their feet instead of exploiting them while they are down. Understand instead of villify. And when they lash out because of all the confusion and chaos, we need to turn the other cheek instead of striking back.

By her very prescence. Em is expressing a desire to broaden her understanding and make sense out of the chaos. Extend your hand in friendship. It is the right thing to do. Perhaps in the process you will find your own understanding of the world to be increased.

 
#3/15/2005 12:33:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger emigre

Moron99

While the Klu Klux Klan were/are terrible, they were/are not revolutionists. They were lead by land owners and clergymen. Their mandate was not social change, but of protecting their assets. An unfortunate analogy to chose, moron99, in the wake of asset motivated war and Abu Ghraib.

The keys to successful democracy are active minds. A social order based only on trust runs the risk of becoming an order that forfeits autonomy under false pretense. Such an order is hardly worth living.

Anon ~ next comment laced with insult and straying off topic from you gets deleted. The only reazon you're sore is because someone beat you to the punchline. Now go and brush up on your history, if you're going to behave like a Jacobin you might as well do some role play research.

 
#3/15/2005 01:24:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger Moron99

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#3/15/2005 01:53:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger Moron99

Em,

the Klan shared much with your insurgency. They were a minority who resisted socio-political change and used terrorism to intimidate a larger body of people into inaction. The change that they oppossed would empower a larger group that they had historically dominated (like the Shia).

In the eyes of the Klansman, their confederate nation had been militarily conquered and subjugated by the Union. Whereas the insurgency wraps itself in the Iraqi flag and longs for a return to totalitarian rule, the Klan wrapped themselves in the Dixie flag and longed for a return to white supremecy.

Iraq is like a caged animal. It was beaten and abused for years by its master (Saddam/Uday/etc). Now the master is gone and the door is left open. It is a scary thing to have no master for the first time. No guaranteed food. No one to tell you which path to follow. No one to blame. Many people refuse to believe that the cage is not locked. They want to believe that America is the new master. Many are afraid to leave the safety of the cage. They want to believe that change is an abandonment of culture and fear that Bagdahd will become a westernized city. And others wish to lock the cage again and become the new masters. (They are the money and planning behind the insurgency). Some like ITM rush wildy out and rejoice in the new freedom. They do not realize that the jungle is a dangerous place. Some, like Sadr, fight vehemently to create a new cage for everyone - but in the process learn that each man should decide for himself. How would you describe yourself in this broken cage analogy?

 
#3/15/2005 02:06:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger madtom

" The point of Em's story is that western (and Eastern) transition away from totalitarian rule has always left a trail of blood and death"

Well, if Em actually agrees with this.... then what exactly is it she is always complaining about. I mean if we are all agreed that every time that you move a society away from a totalitarian system, violence follows, then there is nothing about our introduction, as opposed to home grown, that would add or subtract from the necessary violence. That's if we are all in agreement with the point.

Anyway that's not why I came by. Where's Khalid?
On a blog note, Em have you looked into the new pop up comment page thingy, I think it responds faster.

 
#3/15/2005 02:12:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger madtom

Em, I do like your flower, I also wanted to find an abstract image to put up as my picture, But can not think of anything to use :(
Any suggestion

 
#3/15/2005 02:21:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger emigre

Moron99 - re question

When logged in under your user name, you should be able to see a little grey rectangular trash can looking thing beneath each of your comments (you may need to use imagination - otherwise it'll just look like a grey shape). Click it, and you'll be prompted with another screen that asks if you want to remove the comment.

Left your q for you try it on.

(Observation - democracy displaying grave disparities in the equality stakes when women are still showing men how to pick up after themselves - in these areas we could do with much change. The progressive amoung us must watch for these things, let us not lapse as the republicans have).

 
#3/15/2005 03:11:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger emigre

The Klan have more in common with South Africa under Aparthied, a system also eventually overthrown by insurgencies.

America's republicans fear the Mujahideen because America's republican roots lie in insurgency also. Speaking as we have been, in terms of French dissent and American civil war, America's current role in Iraq might be compared to foreign rule in America during it's independence wars. Cross border insurgency assistance could perhaps be compared to instances where America's indigenous population fought at times alongside the French.

We can be informed by history, but in the end this is not America, or France. It is a blog about Iraq.

So, enough of indulging you all with talk about yourselves. I have other fish to fry.

 
#3/15/2005 05:13:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger emigre

Oh alright then, one more. Then bedtime for all you boys.

The point of my story, madtom, was to encourage understanding by explaining things in terms moron99 and anon might get.

Moron99 analogously proposed democracy was a cow (LOL) that the Mojahideen had a big stick and that America was a little old lady with a sugar cube.

Then he proposed that if the Mojahideen laid down their stick the little old lady would leave.

Later on anon said to moron99 that he didn't remember any beheadings in the late 1700's, which surprised me because I thought anon sounded much younger then 200.

So I sought to clear things up a bit and cast the Mojahideen in a role republicans might understand -to cast the Mojahideen as Iraq's republicans. And perhaps, who knows, perhaps they are a little.

Personally, I don't think war solves anything and Bush is in over his head now.

 
#3/15/2005 05:40:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger richsanter

emigre, you've crossed the line here. comparing the american republicans, a great and patriotic party, to the terrorist mujahadeen is disgraceful and classless of you. bush, reagan, mccain, rice, guiliani, etc are and were great people. people like zarqawi and his supporters are cowards and thugs. i suggest you watch your words next time and dont be so intent on offending people. each post you make seems more crass than the last and it shocks me. i shouldn't be surprised that you're comparing great americans to terrorists though, and im glad that i've met a lot of aussis in my life that are more intelligent than you and know better than to say such horrible things.

 
#3/15/2005 07:20:00 am Assalam Aleikom Anonymous Anonymous

Wow Em. You missed the heck out of the old lady and the cow parable.

The insurgency is the young man trying to make the cow move. The US army is the cow that everyone wants to move out of Iraq. The little old lady is the people of Iraq and the sugar cube is a peaceful government by majority consent.

 
#3/15/2005 07:51:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger Moron99

Em,

thanks for advice on deleting.

IMO you should avoid making conclusions about American politics. You do not have a working understanding of democracy and it shows. It is better to be silent and have some people think that you are wise than to speak up and have everyone think you a fool.

 
#3/15/2005 11:09:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger emigre

Never have I seen so many commenters so neatly hooked!

Richsanter ~ On overstepping the mark in comparing the Mojahideen to George Bush. Oh yes, it had occured to me the Mojahideen would agree with you there. I am sure many would find their dignity compromised, as you do yours. Goodness, you have more in common with each passing hour! The road to peace is surveyed first through common ground.

Anon ~ Bravo! And this is the great thing about parable and analogy - it works on so many levels. Thank you for telling us what we all need to hear - the army is a cow.

And moron99 ~ Democracy works best when people speak. It is better to speak then to remain silent and find oneself herded onto a cattle cart.

As Khalid says, the wise find joy in life's small pleasures and words can be such when spoken without intent to maim.

 
#3/15/2005 02:07:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger richsanter

Khalid –

Hey, good to see you back man! I really enjoyed this post by you, I was starting to get worried …

First: I wish I could speak Arabic and could see this series. It sounds hilarious.

Second: Your analysis of the motivations of the Iraqi ‘government’ and the anti American spin put on it is spot on. Your instant spotting of the fundamental contradiction of the news being manufactured to support anti insurgent activities, but having to contain an anti American sub theme in order to resonate with the target audience is excellent. It just goes to show what the Iraqi public really thinks. I hope all Iraqis are on the ball like you.

Another possibility is that it is blatant misinformation. I have not seen the series obviously, but take a look at who is financing it. Is it on the US sponsored channels? It smells suspiciously like the old American trick of whipping up popular support through propaganda. This we have seen before through, for example, the war hysteria whipped up in the US against Iraq through lies and insinuation; the lies told by Powell to the UN; the Kuwaiti ambassador’s daughter that lied to the UN about Kuwaiti babies being pulled out of incubators etc etc.

What is also quite interesting is the angle that it is Syria supposedly sponsoring the violence. This is fishy because one is asked to believe Syrian intelligence would be stupid enough to hire common murderers to do their dirty work … and even more stupid to deal directly with the front ranks without using one or more layers of middle men to mask their hand. Sorry, but that seems a little strange … its almost as if Syria wants to be implicated … a very stupid thing to do … which rings warning bells to me that all is not right with these ‘insurgents’.

Now, if we consider this with the added knowledge that Syria is on the US’s (neocon) “hit list”, and if we take into account the heavy pressure being exerted on Syria to leave Lebanon via the US, IMHO an effort to crack Bashar Assad … could this series on the insurgency implicating Syria, not be manufactured or at the least heavily influenced by these goals?

Imagine if Iraqis are brought in on any military action against Syria! Could this be a future plan? It would not surprise me.

I see this sort of propaganda as an admission of failure in the conventional struggle against the resistance; it is an effort to split the resistance from its popular base via non military means.

Anyway, congratulations on an excellent analysis!


Moron99 --

Your calculations on the oil value / cost of invasion are interesting. Nevertheless, I bring to your attention that the US controls 100% of the Iraqi oil revenues RIGHT NOW, and at least until 2007. Europe has hardly made a peep. I also would like to bring to your attention that Executive Order 13303 by GWB exempts oil companies and all their employees from any legal action from foreign governments (read Iraq) in the US. This basically says that if US oil companies were to ‘accidentally’ purloin a few million barrels of oil a year, they are completely immune in the US. I furthermore need not remind you as to how useless and toothless the World Court is in such matters.

That said, your calculations do not take into account that the US intends to ramp up oil production far beyond those 2,5 M barrels per day, and that they also do not take into account that oil prices are unlikely to drop, but likely to rise in future, given the increasing scarcity of the product and the gluttonous use of it by rapidly growing economies like China. The amounts in question are a lot higher than you have projected.

Finally, and most importantly, the “oil angle” to the invasion does not take into account the neocon doctrine of global domination. Control of Iraqi oil is more important than cheaply importing it into the US, a facet of the discussion which many people ignore. Control of oil allows the US to project power ‘on the cheap’, given that most countries, and especially the future Asian superpower, China, are critically dependent on the stuff.

Instead of going through laborious invasions that cost a fortune, future disputes with competitors and / or recalcitrant nations could be cheaply resolved by an oil embargo; faced with economic collapse, most regimes will rapidly step back into line. All this can be done without firing a shot and without perpetuating the image of the “ugly American”.

That is the true value of controlling the oil spigot.


2:58 Christian “Anonymous” --

Ah, finally an honest to goodness Christian!

You know, I was considering conversion to Christianity, but there were a few small issues that bothered me. Given that you are such an authority, perhaps you could help me out. For example:

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35.2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

Another problem that one of your obvious intelligence could help me with is this:

My uncle has a farm. He violates Leviticus 19.19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Leviticus 24.10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, as we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Leviticus 20.14)

It also bothers me the way the Christian God seems to be so violent.

I have heard that in Ezekiel 9:5 it says “"'Pass through the city after him, and smite; your eye shall not spare and you shall show no pity; slay old men outright, young men and maidens, little children and women...'"

Is this true? If it is, how can you make the case that your God is a peaceful one?

I thank you in advance for the detailed answers that you will undoubtedly provide.


On Arabs and technology --

Some misguided characters (ie - our ‘undercover’ troll, *snigger*) seem to think that the Arabs have contributed nothing to the world. These ignoramuses are unaware that the Western mathematical tradition is based on Arabic mathematics, and that if it were not for this the entire scientific sphere of which you are so proud would be impossible. Not to mention that you would be exposed to the joys of division, multiplication and mathematical manipulation of Roman numerals. To dismiss the entire foundation of Western scientific progress is both hilarious and symptomatic of a great ignorance. Time for milk and cookies, eh?

 
#3/15/2005 04:40:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger Moron99

Bruno,

you are so very close.

You should go back and read press clippings and governemnt statements from early last summer. Here's what is really going on.

Iraq's greatest danger is civil war or the bloodbath of a cultural purging. Em ever so nicely linked to the French reign of terror. It is a sad fact about human history that almost every major shift in socio-political power is followed by a bloodbath. Historically speaking, when a new group comes to power, the first thing on their "things to do" list is kill everyone who supports the old regime.

Check those news clippings. The Iraqi government has been very careful to never blame fellow Iraqis for the killing and kidnapping. Obviously, it is Iraqis doing most of it. So why would the Iraqi gov't want to say otherwise? The answer is obvious. As long as Iraqi's think that the source of killing and kidnapping is not fellow Iraqis then they will not go on a rampage or erupt into civil war.

It's kind of ironic in a way. The lie is meant to protect those who are most critical of it.

 
#3/15/2005 06:13:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger emigre

Hi Bruno

Nice to see you, for a moment there I thought putting on a show for Khalid was all up to moron99 and me (and I was running out of things to keep him going). So far we have agreed that oil wars are bad, that the Mujahideen are people just like the Americans are people, and that blood and guts is all pretty atrocious really.

Well, now that you have turned up I'll go water my peace lily and let the two of you get on with talking to yourself.

in peace, as always.

 
#3/15/2005 08:25:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger noooon

did you know think man....this is very beautiful

 
#3/15/2005 08:26:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger noooon

did you know think man....this is very beautiful

 
#3/16/2005 04:04:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger richsanter

Moron99 --

Point (1) : What on earth made you choose that name? Is it some snide reference to the unwashed masses that plague the internet? Odd …

Point (2) : Your ‘protecting’ angle is a novel one. Yes, it makes a bit of sense … on the other hand, it is also wise to keep the country from and outright civil war, which would risk losing whatever little infrastructure has been left standing.

Point (3) : The ‘government’ may simply want to delay the serious attempts at bloodbath until the Iraqi Army is built up and able to take care of things itself. It could be a delaying tactic.

I have had my suspicions for a while that the US would try to use one group of Iraqis to crush the other. We will see soon enough if my usual doom mongering is correct or whether Iraqis are smart and clear headed enough to reach an internal compromise.

I hope for the latter.

 
#3/16/2005 05:54:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger Moron99

Allawi was clear in his agenda. He wanted a unified, secular Iraq. He wanted to use the rule of law and the carrot of diplomacy to end the insurgency. He wished amnesty for any who had not committed crimes and the sword only for those who had already used the own sword against Iraq.

But, Allawi has been voted out. It is a dangerous time ahead. The Kurds were gassed. The wetlands were drained. The Shia revolt was massacred. The groups who have already shed the most blood are now in the driving seat. The terrorists and baathists continue to attack the Shia. For now, their anger has been directed towards Syria. But for how long? If the government continues to bicker over the sharing of power instead of using the power to make Iraq better, then the anger may boil over.

If I were to give advice, I would advise Raed and Khalid to follow the path of their mother. She is a very wise woman. She focuses upon the things that bring people together instead of that which pushes them apart.

Moron99 was chosen because no matter how much we learn, we are still one of many morons. My opinion is no better than yours and yours is no better than mine. This extends from the destitute through the presidents. Each of us is only capable of understanding a small portion of the truth. No more because our brain is far too small and our perception far too limited. It is only through the combined wisdom of the masses that we have any hope of stumbling upon a greater truth. I am a moron and my identity helps me to remember.

 
#3/17/2005 01:30:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger emigre

Moron99

One day you are all unity and turning the other cheek, the next you are snidely comparing family members. Sounds like selectively dividing and splitting to me moron99, not to mention flipfloppy.

Khalid and Raed consistently level their criticism at one source - an occupying army. They do not stoop to the level you have, moron99, by comparing bloggers to prove personal bias.

Khalid keeps in contact with many people of differing opinion, many of whom who have been unfoundedly critical of him. This is an admirable quality, rare, and one deserving of respect, moron99.

 
#3/17/2005 05:33:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger Moron99

It was not meant to be snippy. I assume that they live in Iraq. I further assume that they speak in public as they speak on their web sites.

It was a simple observation that if Iraq boils over then those who openly criticisize the new government as "puppets" and defend the insurgents as "freedom fighters" will be at greater risk. It would seem wise to follow the lead of their mother and focus upon things that bring people together instead of those that divide. Then whichever side comes knocking at the door will find a friend.

The nature of this thread has wound in and out and around the cultural purgings usually associated with a socio-political shift in power. It seemed a natural extension - especially since the original plan of inciting civil war has fallen apart in recent weeks. It was no coincidence that Syria handed over the baathists. The original plan has unraveled and Syria was throwing in the towel. They will not fight for Iraq until the Hariri problem is resolved. If Iraq boils over, the Sunni will be on their own and outnumbered four to one. Syria will not send the reinforcements as originally planned. The insurgency is tapping the end of a bomb with a hammer. It would be wise to place as much distance as possible between them and yourself.

 
#3/17/2005 07:24:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger Medya

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