Saturday, February 26, 2005

Clarifying

At first I thought "I am not going to get dragged up in this", in someone else's smear campaign. But then I thought, it is an issue and it needs addressing.

A bi-partisan commenter (not a member of this blog) has apparently been circulating emails behind backs. Emails about a certain blog in the blogroll here. The blog offends him, and he would like to see it removed. Firstly, this is a joke. The person apparently circulating the email has in the past written some of the foulest rudest comments I have ever seen. Secondly, the person circulating the email claims to support democracy. And yet this person wants to "disappear" a blog he does not like. The principle of democracy, is that there is a place for everyone in it. One cannot claim to maintain a definitive Iraq Blog directory, if one begins disappearing Iraq blogs. Once one blog goes, where does it end I ask.

I have already replied to this person, but thought I'd just bring it out in the open. As I said to this person, in the words of Martin Niemoller;

"They came for the Communists
And I didn't object for I wasn't a Communist

They came for the Socialists
And I didn't object for I wasn't a Socialist

They came for the Labor leaders
And I didn't object for I wasn't a Labor leader

They came for the Jews
And I didn't object.

Then they came for me and there was no one left to object."

Let me make an analogy. Think of a telephone directory. In it you will find the names of panelbeaters, bank clerks, musicians, cleaners, IT specialists, dentists and tree surgeons. All side by side, row after row, with nothing in common other then the page and the ink. It is possible for many people to co-exist in a telephone directory, without ever having even necessarily met each other. And so it is with Iraq Blog counts Iraq Blog directory. Co-existence is the key to peace. Everyone is there. The heretic, the truthteller, the teen, the insurgent and the kid who met the president.

I have to wonder at that apparent email circulator's commitment to democracy. If this was an issue to him, why did he not email Iraq Blog Count directly? Why did he resort to gossip-mongering behind other peoples backs? You know, I've had my share of disagreements too - but I always choose to approach the source. That is the beauty of the web - we can, or should be able to, contact each other openly.

26 Comments

#2/26/2005 10:42:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger richsanter

emigre, i was the one complaining about the blog, so i assume you were making your little wise comment about me. first of all, i wasnt emailing anyone "behind backs." i didnt know who the administrator was, so i emailed kurdo since he was listed as a contributor. i thought he might be able to point me in the direction of someone who could help me. that is the only person i ever emailed. to make it sound like im sending out mass emails to people and campaigning this issue is just stupid. you're a liar and a coward and have no respect for people like that. if im wrong, then tell me who said i emailed them about the great iraq. i would also like to know when i've made some of the foulest comments on the blogroll. why is it that whenever someone makes a comment you dont like they are then a nazi, pro-american, "an agent", pro-war, or something else like that. if the person isnt that, then you will say how they should shut up because some of their comrads have made poor comments in the past. well, dont use this lame community college psychology junk on me. you aren't going to make me feel as though i'm some kind of racist when all i was doing is complaining about violence in a blog. you listed no examples of these horrible and vulgar comments that i supposedly made. what a shock. i guess everyone is just going to have to take your word for it. i have no problems with debates or different views, but when i made mine you laughed me off as a pascifist, then lied about me emailing all these people behind your back. you're a liar and i have no respect for you. you really need to grow up and start acting like an adult. you have no idea how to deal with people in a respectful manner.

 
#2/26/2005 10:53:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger emigre

richsanter

Come off it. You let it slip yourself that you'd been emailing other people (more then one).

As for not posting your name, I'm not into naming names but thanks for stepping forward and claiming your baggage.

Re reposting all the mean-spirited things you've posted here; no. Hearing them once is enough.

Btw - I see you have been sitting waiting to pounce on me again. I barely just posted and you're right in there. What is this, cat and mouse?

 
#2/26/2005 11:13:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger richsanter

emigre, you obivously dislike me for some reason. i could care less why. i never said i emailed more than one person because i didnt. i dont know where you got the idea that i did, but i think you just made it up and posted it for everyone to see to try to make me look bad. again, you post whatever you want, even without facts, if it makes your bizarre point of view look good. i have no idea what you're talking about with all these mean spirited things. i guess you consider this a mean spirited post because i disagree with you. i would really like for your to say who told you i emailed them about the great iraq. yes, im calling you out as a liar. prove me wrong and save a little dignity. i emailed one person, kurdo. i would really like to hear of anyone else claiming this, because they lied to you if they said so.

and i didnt "pounce" on you. dont try to make this a personal dispute because it's not.

 
#2/27/2005 01:16:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger Rob

It seems that Martin Niemoller's quote is different depending on where you get it. According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Niemoller), the quote is as follows:

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—
and there was no one left to speak out.

 
#2/28/2005 12:08:00 am Assalam Aleikom Anonymous Anonymous

it looks like you got embarrassed emigre. maybe next time you wont spread lies about people.

tom

 
#2/28/2005 02:01:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger CMAR II

Emigre,

I think the reason you are unable to reference anything richsanter has posted that you object to is this: You have deleted all his posts.

I, however, saw those posts before you deleted them and did not find them to be anywhere as outrageous as you post suggests.

Furthermore, you have not named anyone besides Kurdo that richsanter has contacted.

I would say you owe him a big apology. Or perhaps your post should be "deleted by administrator". Or both.

 
#2/28/2005 02:31:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Anonymous Anonymous

i agree that you own richsanter an apology, unless of course you can name some people other than kurdo that he has contacted or produce some hate post. you didnt name his name and he could have let it go, but the fact that richsanter went out of his way to confront you so many times really makes me believe that you're lying. i've seen several posts in the past by richsanter complaining how you delete the posts of anything that disagrees with you...is that so mean spirited, as you say? so he didnt like the great iraq blog, big deal. he is allowed to post his opinions just as anyone else. you didnt need to make lies about him because you didnt like his views. as people have said to you in the past....grow up. you were in the wrong, so just admit it like a person with some class.


Jeff

 
#2/28/2005 03:48:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger emigre

Goodness, big day, been away. But here I am back again. I see all the trolls have been having a ball. As usual. Why I take time to respond to them all I don't know. Well, here goes;

Tom - Eh?

cmar ii

Copies of comments are also auto-magically emailed to a special Iraq Blog Count email address. So more evidence of commenter rudeness remains then you might think. I leave some of richsanters comments, but the ones that are really beyond the pale and consist of nothing but 2 minute hate material - swoosh, those all go into the trash. Same goes for anyone else.

Jeff

No need to name names, I think richsanter has got the message. As for posting "opinion" - definations thereof; Opinion; "the expression of a belief that is held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof" and how 'bout this one; "a vague idea in which some confidence is placed". And that pretty much sums up richsanter doesn't it, all un-substantiated vagueness lacking positive proof and puffed up with over-confidence.

Goodness, when will any of you ever have something positive to say about my contributions. All you do is moan moan moan. What a page full of pessimists you all are.

 
#2/28/2005 03:48:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger emigre

Rob

Hi, long time no see. Yup you're right, that Martine Niemoller quote pops up in various guises all over the show. It's a goody, isn't it not.

 
#2/28/2005 04:44:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger richsanter

what message was i supposed to get emigre? and what is all this stuff about vagueness and lack of proof? all i said is that i didnt like the great iraq blog and that it should be taken off the blogroll. werent you the one that said i contacted all these people behind your back in a lame attempt to get it removed? so i dont understand what i did that had lack of proof and why you continue to make personal attacks on me. and i really dont know why you keep mentioning all of these horrible comments that i made. if you could produce one, just one, then that would change things. but i really think you are confused and i have no idea what you are talking about. list some names of people other than kurdo that i emailed about the blog. you dont even have to report any of my "terrible" comments...make a vague reference as to what it was about...anything! i would like to hear your explanations about these things. this blogroll gets more bizarre by the day, or was that comment by me too full of vagueness and lack of proof? your last comment was proof of how bad it has gotten recently.

 
#2/28/2005 05:04:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger richsanter

CMAR2 --

[cmar2] ?I, however, saw those posts before you deleted them and did not find them to be anywhere as outrageous as you post suggests.?

I guess then it is not, in CMAR2?s world, outrageous to mention that one had sex with his mother the night before and that her genitals were so ?loose? as to render the procedure unfeasible. Uh, alright CMAR2, YOU may think that comments like those are normal and acceptable ? but outside of the circles of the lowest garbage grubbing trailer trash element, they are not acceptable.

(Does this mean, CMAR2, that your own blog rules are under review? I am sure I can find some ?mates? to pop around and fill your comments with similar rubbish.)

FYI, I have found other gems by richsanter that amongst other things postulated that Ihath was a ?vancouver arab trash whore?. Further elucidation by richsanter to Ihath: ?fuck you and the camel you ride to work everyday? Is this the sort of language that CMAR2 endorses?

[cmar2]? You have deleted all his posts.?

Oh boo hoo hoo. Like CMAR2 has never deleted any posts or banned people, for MUCH less reason than this. I recall the mere mention of Mykeru?s Clock (to measure how long it would take to dig out a quote to substantiate your lie that Riverbend was a Baathist, and which should still be here: http://tinyurl.com/2oplb ) sent you into fits, and was good enough to get people banned.

I think you owe ?migr? a BIG apology.


Richsanter --

Richsanter [IBC counting comments] ?i have sent private emails to several people regarding iraq the great blog. i dont quite understand how you can claim that this blog roll is supporting democracy, yet you allow that type of blog to be promoted....a blog that is anti-democracy, pro-saddam, and pro-violence.?

Richsanter [IBC clarifying comments] ?that is the only person [kurdo] i ever emailed. to make it sound like im sending out mass emails to people and campaigning this issue is just stupid. you're a liar [?] if im wrong, then tell me who said i emailed them about the great iraq.?


May I point out that you, richsanter, are a liar either way. First YOU stated that you sent ?several? emails privately to people. Then when one of them surfaces at Kurdo?s, you deny this and say it was ?the only? email you ever sent out. Oops, you tripped yourself up there. But, given that pathological liars have that tendency, I?m not surprised. Either way, whether you sent one or many - YOU are the liar, given that if either of these statements is true, it necessarily contradicts the other. And, yes, I have no respect for you either ? but then, I never had.

Oh, and your pathetically transparent ?undercover? attempts at creating an illusion of a plurality of voices in support of you ? ?tom? , ?frank? , ?brent? , ?ted? , probably ?john? too ? are just a cause for much sniggering. Even Jeffrey would be able to analyse your writing style and tone and proclaim it is the same person. I find it sad (yet appropriate) that you feel that your arguments are so weak that they lack the weight to stand alone as a single voice. I find it amazing that you think that you actually fool anybody with this pathetic ploy. Take your tinker toys elsewhere.

 
#2/28/2005 11:44:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger richsanter

bruno, i dont know you and could care less if you respect me. if i said that i emailed several people, then that was a mistake. i emailed kurdo only. the email didn't "surface". i was the one that mentioned it myself because it was the only one sent. and again, you're nobody and i dont care that you think nobody else is supporting me. i only had a complaint with a blog and thought i made a respectful comment about it. it may be shocking that some other people agree that the great iraq is a blog that promotes violence, but i guess some do.
just because a mistake was made doesnt and i expressed an opinion that people such as emigre and yourself dislike doesnt mean im faking support. a lot of people on this blogroll have the same opinions as you, but i dont see anyone accusing you of making up false posts to support your opinions. i dont think it should matter if i emailed 1 person or 50. that is my business. however, i emailed one person as i said and meant to say all along. i certainly apologize for any confusion.

 
#2/28/2005 11:44:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger richsanter

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#2/28/2005 11:45:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger richsanter

bruno, i dont know you and could care less if you respect me. if i said that i emailed several people, then that was a mistake. i emailed kurdo only. the email didn't "surface". i was the one that mentioned it myself because it was the only one sent. and again, you're nobody and i dont care that you think nobody else is supporting me. i only had a complaint with a blog and thought i made a respectful comment about it. it may be shocking that some other people agree that the great iraq is a blog that promotes violence, but i guess some do.
just because a mistake was made doesnt and i expressed an opinion that people such as emigre and yourself dislike doesnt mean im faking support. a lot of people on this blogroll have the same opinions as you, but i dont see anyone accusing you of making up false posts to support your opinions. i dont think it should matter if i emailed 1 person or 50. that is my business. however, i emailed one person as i said and meant to say all along. i certainly apologize for any confusion.

 
#3/01/2005 10:48:00 am Assalam Aleikom Anonymous Anonymous

bruno-

i've been making comments for months. just because you haven't noticed my witty and insiteful takes on life, doesnt mean that i dont exist. you bruno, sound an awful lot like emigre, khalid, and riverbend. i guess these people are all 1. it must be shocking that anyone could ever disagree with you and the brilliant emigre, so you call one detractor a nazi and the others all liars and the same person to make you feel better inside. you all annoy me with this stupid arguing. this blog has suddenly become really GAY when comments like yours are made.

John

 
#3/01/2005 03:28:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger richsanter

[John] "... you bruno, sound an awful lot like emigre, khalid, and riverbend. i guess these people are all 1."

Flattery will get you nowhere ...

 
#3/01/2005 04:04:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger 0023

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#3/01/2005 04:19:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger emigre

Defining Troll; Hides under bridge trying to elicit toll-fee from innocent passers-by. Turns to stone when the sun shines on it.

 
#3/01/2005 05:52:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger richsanter

0023 why didnt you give an example? if a comment was so horrible, im sure you can remember some of it. im not sure what comment everyone is talking about and nobody has given me an example yet.

 
#3/01/2005 07:46:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger aNarki-13

ummm.. i was away for some time.. what's exactly happening here?

OHH i get it, the classic "my D*CK IS BIGGER THAN YOURS" thing..
actually its more like "MY TONGUE HAS MORE HAIR THAN YOURS" but no matter..

I COULD"N'T" CARE LESS, as you frequently say..
and it did look like you were playing a 5 on 1 tag-team match up there, now wether or not the men behind the masks dressing in flashy lycra are the same or NOT, I COULD"N'T" CARE LESS..
cheers!
and ALL OF YOU CALM DOWN.. all's been said and done now, GET OVER IT.

 
#3/01/2005 09:13:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger 0023

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#3/02/2005 01:06:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger richsanter

thanks 0023. i dont remember making a vulgar post, but i could be wrong. if i did do it for some reason, it was rare and i dont think i do it often.

emigre hasn't like me for a long time and that post didnt have anything to do with it. she made a strange poem post on ihaths blog...just a random post with lines from a poem...totally out of the conversation, and i made a post saying that her comments are some of the most bizarre and meaningless i've ever seen, etc. not nice sure, but still not vulgar or horrible.

i'm pretty sure that I somehow hurt her feelings by making a post about her poetry, so that is the reason behind her extreme hate and disgust for me.

 
#3/02/2005 03:29:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger emigre

John, can it. No swearing at others.

Your post has been deleted.

 
#3/02/2005 03:42:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger emigre

richsanter

You are rude most of the time. I don't like the way you manipulate people. I find most of your comments are dishonest, sneaky and forever trying to stir up crap between other people. I've even been watching you immitate other people's comment styles in order to create confusion.

Other bloggers have shut down their comments because of you.

I could ban you, but I'm watching you instead. The more you say, the more we learn about you. So keep commenting richsanter. It's all to your own detriment in the long haul.

 
#3/06/2005 03:25:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger emigre

Please send all of your pornographic pictures to emigreimagine@yahoo.com.au and also put my address into any of those porno pages that will send free picture in my email. Thanks!

 
#3/07/2005 01:24:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger emigre

Oh really, this is getting ridiculous.

Look, fraud, whoever you are - I can see you find dressing as me attractive but it's seriously time you built your own life and moved on.

Get your own user name, get your own profile, get your own blog. I'm sure you can succeed on your own site, with a mighty google hit rate considering your preferential material.

 

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