Thursday, July 21, 2005

Still waiting for certain news.

Meanwhile.

Moron99 wants to play pendantism. Which is a good sign and far preferable to some other recent exchanges.

Moron99 says;

I won't sign this one

We the undersigned demand that the security forces that have detained Khalid Jarrar immediatly release him, and that a full scale investigation be conducted into how it came to pass that an individual can be held captive for the sole reasoning of expressing their views. It behooves us as American citizens whose troops are occupying Iraq to demand that Iraq be adminstered in a fashion that protects individual rights.

I would have been amoung the first to sign this one

We the undersigned demand public disclosure of the information leading to the arrest and detainment of Khalid Jarrar. We demand that Khalid Jarrar be granted the inalienable rights to justice that all men deserve - that there shall be no search, seizure, or imprisonment without due process of law. We demand that Khalid Jarrar shall either be publicly charged with a crime or released. We demand that Khalid Jarrar receives open and fair treatment according to the rules of law. We demand fairness and we will not fall silent until we are satisfied that evidence, justice, and the rule of law have triumphed.


Alright moron99, but I'm not entirely happy with version two either.

Let's see if you would sign this one;

We the undersigned demand public disclosure of the information leading to the arrest and detainment of Khalid Jarrar. We demand that Khalid Jarrar be granted the inalienable rights to justice that all men deserve. We demand that the security forces that have detained Khalid Jarrar immediatly release him, and that a full scale investigation be conducted into how it came to pass that an individual can be held captive for the sole reasoning of expressing their views. It behooves us as world citizens and netizens to demand that Iraq be adminstered in a fashion that protects individual rights in real life and in our imaginary ones. Thank you very very much. Can we have him back now or else.

What do you think?

In any case, no news lately on other things.

3 Comments

#7/21/2005 08:42:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger Moron99

change
"We demand that the security forces that have detained Khalid Jarrar immediatly release him"

to become
"We demand that the security forces that have detained Khalid Jarrar either make the charges against him known or immediatly release him"



change
"how it came to pass that an individual can be held captive for the sole reasoning of expressing their views."

to become
"a full presentation of evidence and subsequent release if no evidence is forthcoming"


then, I think we would be in nearly complete agreement.

But I would not delete the section about "we will not fall silent" if justice is not served. This will have great appeal in media circles and will draw them to your cause. The fear of media exposure is a powerful motivating factor and could well land US ambassadors as your allies.

 
#7/21/2005 08:59:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger emigre

Good tips. Feel uncomfortable about the first two amendments - sense glaring loopholes.

He didn't do anything apart from share his soul with a few mates - why is it neccessary to charge him for that?

 
#7/21/2005 09:33:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger Moron99

"He didn't do anything apart from share his soul with a few mates - why is it neccessary to charge him for that?"

that's the point em.

The original petition places no burden upon his accusers to justify their actions. They can simply respond that he is incarcerated for "other reasons" and your whole petition is rendered moot.

To be effective, it must squarely place the burden of proof back upon his captors. To attract and maintain cross-political support you must hold the higher moral ground and appeal to those things that all humans want. Demanding that the Iraqi government deliver exactly the rights and justices that it was created to for is a powerful argument.

But - as you noted - a coin has two sides. You need to confer amoung yourselves and determine beyond a reasonable doubt that Khalid is innocent. Perhaps someone slipped some timers into the trunk of his BMW? Dot your i's, cross your t's. Then go boldly forward including media attention and lobbying the US embassy in Jordan.

My greatest fear is that he is in an Iraqi jail instead of a US jail. I think that beatings and stuff are pretty common in mideast jails. If he is in an Iraqi jail, then media attention will help protect him to some degree. Iraqi politicians are already feeling generalized heat on this issue. The last thing they would want or need is for Khalid to become a symbol of their failures.

but now I've rambled too long. long story short - stick to the high ground and make no demands that undermine your position.

 

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