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Khalid,While you were playing with new features, why did you not open up the comments on you own blog.This thing about you guys just fascinates me to no endand is so foreign to me as to not make any sensePlease explain it to me, why here you are willing to talk but at your home blog you are not. I thought that you guys had turned over a new leaf or something when I found that here I could comment, but I am still baffled by your actions.These are some of the first questions I posed to you, but have yet to get a reasonable response. Why?Madtom
Hey:)lets just say that there are SOME people who i dont welcome at my place, i prefer to meet them outside, if i had to. me*
In to your place?What place? this is the Internet and I am not here and neither are you??As far as I know you can delete any comments you don't like on your own blog, here someone else seems to have the keys so how is the stain of contact any different?still baffled.Unless "Some" people would not know to look here to check you. My guess.Madtom
You don't have a comments section in your blog because then you would hear things that refute what you *insist* on believing. It just shows how weak you are.
Perhaps, he doesn't have comments because he is so self secure that he doesn’t need to obsesses about what other people think of him all the time. Perhaps he doesn’t like getting trolls on his blog, perhaps he has found out that there are too many, ehm! people lacking in virtue on the internet. Perhaps he has read comments on other blogs and found them, ehm! detrimental to his education. Perhaps he just doesn't want to get random **** **** **** on his blog.
I don't know...There are probably hundreds of people who read his blog every day. If there were a whole bunch of people commenting 24 hours a day (as does happen on other sites) it could get a bit tedious editing them all, don't you think? Some people have lives to be lived and they don't all involve the computer or going through dozens of comments and deciding which one to keep or erase.Besides, it's HIS blog and he can pretty much do whatever the hell he wants. Most of the people who want the option to leave comments tend to be the types who say we are bringing freedom to the people of Iraq. Well, let the man have the freedom to do whatever the hell he wants on his blog. If people feel so strongly then send an email to the guy. He has his email address right there for all to see.Instant comments.
But what could be more tedious that going thought 100 of e-mails, and my question still stands. Why here?I have never left an e-mail at any of their other site's because I agree with you, they have every right to post without comments. Why would I or anyone invade thier privacy with unwanted e-mails? That is considered rude here. We call it spam. and no one wants any more than they already get.Madtom
Well in Khalid's case he does welcome emails.His blog says "Contact Khalid" right on it. So I don't think it is spam.
ihath, anishinaboy, you rock:))))) me*
I think he enabled comments on his site for awhile, and he found that it turned to be a forum for certain too-dedicated commentators, and he felt his site was used to deliver a message he didn't like... Thinking that a comment from some guy thousands miles away in the US will enlighten him to know "the truth about Iraq" which he can't see while he's in the middle of the mess that is Iraq is a bit stupid, don't you think?
Anonymous, i add you to the you-rock list;) me*
How about some guy form a thousand miles away that come here to learn about Iraq and it's people?You find out that the Iraqi people are as diverse as any other population out there and that you have to deal with then on a one to one, because non of them think alike.For me Iraq is like an experiment in a bottle and I want to learn as much as I can for the day when My people (Cuba) get a chance at liberty. I want to know as much as possible about the process and the mentality of the people so I can Know something that might help.Till today I have not seen anything that would make the experience in Iraq so unique that I wont one day be able to apply in Cuba. These are my motives.Madtom
Khalid,How come you have NEVER posted comments at Iraq the Model, Healing Iraq, Hammorabi, or Iraq at a Glance? These are blogs run by real Iraqis, not Palestinian Iraqis. People from all over the world join the debates, including many Iraqis. Afraid of the challenge? It's very nice for you to blog here as OUr Soft Aussie Host Emigre ("I'll wash your mouths out with soap, children") holds your hand. Why not really stand up for your beliefs and argue for them with Iraqis? I've noticed that whenever someone like Ihath or Dilnareen challenges you here, you suddenly go silent. You and Raed are the same. A fence between and you bark till your lungs hurt. Take the fence down and your tail goes down and you run quickly back into the house. Be a man, Khalid. Have the courage to actually debate your views with Iraqis like Zeyad and Ali and Sam, instead of hanging around here and getting petted by the likes of Brunhilda.*
Hey Jeff, Funny to hear YOU givnig big deal to this orogin issue, i mean, there isnt such a thing as real American right? except when talking about Indians, so, from now on, you arent allowed to defend the occupation assholes, deal?those you mentioned, who support the occupation of their country, are too Anti-arabs, too Anti-islam, those are RREAl iraqis for things like yourselfs, but not for real iraqis.when i find some one who is man enough to stand for his country, i may debate with him.btw guys, wana be mean and enjoy it? Jeff's site fall apart, le is quitting blogging cause the goverment didnt kill Alsadr ( i dont knwo how the hell is that related, or how it is his buisness in the first place) go say bye-bye to him.oh and, its an honur for me to be with people like emigre and bruno, its a great honur for you to be allowed to exist in the same places they hang in.take craes! me*
You didn't answer my question.*
The real iraqis simple doesn't speak english and is "debating" the occupiers with weapons on hands. But, for the average american, this guys isn't iraqis: they are "foreign fighters", "thugs", "terrorists" and "anti-iraqis". Average americans are so brainwashed that they simple forget that the americans soldiers are the real foreign people in Iraq...For an average american, one is a "real iraqi" only if he/she is supporting the occupation. The real debate, for an average american, is to say "amen" to the occupiers:"Please, steal our oil!" "Please, built military bases in our land, in order to perpetuate our slavery"The others simple are "no man enough" to debate.For an average american, one government only is democratic if it is a pro-american goverment. Chaves, the venezuelan presidente is the most recent example of this. And, last but not the least, if one write some ideas like mines, then:"You guy is a racist! You are jealousy of our freedom!"It sicks me.Aquele abraço!´Alvaro Frota
Brazil Rocks!!go go Brazil..go go Brazil:)))))why dont i bother reading what these guys right?ahhh..do i really have to anwer this? me*
Go Brazil!!Brazil Rocks!why dont i comment on the posts of these guys?hmmm, to make an effort, there must be a goal, if the goal is stupid, then why bother? so, is there anything in the world i might say, that could let them say: ahhh you are right, we are wrong we'll be anti-occupation from now on?naah, these guys are collecting money for GOD sake, they told you what you want to hear, and they took your money, in days they are buying a new house and a nice car i bet, i am sure you contributed in that money, they are thankful for you:)) me*
Anti-Iraqi blog that consistently censored critics of failed American occupation in Iraq, posted biased and woefully misinformed analysis, promoted hate-filled and racist speech about Iraqis, Arabs and Muslims and passed posters IP addresses to American intelligence agencies pulled – reduced to a tiny handful of crank posters third-rate propaganda project ends in abject and humiliating failure.Sic semper tyrannis….
Alvaro Frota has a valid point when he reminds us that most Iraqis don't speak English. Has it ever occurred to anybody: that the high prevalence of pro-occupation Iraqi blogs in relation to the minority status of their views in Iraqi polls has something to do with the fact that they are the most Westernised of the Iraqis? Given the fact that many either grew up in or have studied Western cultures and languages ... this would account for their much more pro West outlook on the occupation. This says to me that they do not necessarily represent a 'typical' Iraqi, whatever that may be. ( Also, they seem convinced that the US is really there to turn Iraq into Canada overnight, and naively assume that this motive is the only, innocent, driving force behind Bush's coalition. They never consider the possibility of the US installing another amenable dictator in lieu of running the lottery of the ballot box. Why? )Khalid said : "naah, these guys are collecting money for GOD sake, they told you what you want to hear, and they took your money, in days they are buying a new house and a nice car i bet, i am sure you contributed in that money, they are thankful for you:))"Oops, so once again Iraqis are smarter than the Jeffrey's of this world. (And, speaking of my favourite Attack Chihuahua, I notice that *he* never hangs around to debate either, Khalid, despite his voluminous promises to the contrary. Funny, that)The reality is, unless a country's ruler has plenty of lip balm and knee pads (nudge, wink) then that country is a vile dictatorship, according to the US and especially lately. Venezuela being but a single example Alvaro raised. Madtom, if Castro was the same man, but he supported the US, do you think that the potentates in Washington would give two figs for the people of Cuba? I assure you, you would hear nothing bad said about the man. That amenable dictator plan is still Plan A for Iraq, as long as Allawi continues breathing, anyway. I'm really keen to see what excuse comes out for the postponement of elections in January. Looking at Afghanistan, it will take a while before all those phantom voters are introduced into the system ...--Bruno--
Sic Semper Tyrannis --If you are who I think you are ... keep on dishing out the pain! --Bruno--
hey Brunu...Could u please email khaled informing him of ur email...?He's a friend of mine and I will make him the go-between us ;)there is no other way of contacting u without making my email public which is something i don't want to do..Thanks Brunu...Salam!
Bruno,The language argument wouldn't work here, the jarrars speak english really well,Riverbend writes beautifully and has lived abroad yet they speak 'your way'. Ppl just learn a new language they don't buy a new mentality.. for most ppl the basic beliefs stay the same they just vary in degrees.This is whats good about blogs especially for an area like the ME, ppl have different opinions because of what they believe in not cos' someone is paying them to say so.
Funny, I don't go to Washington to get my Cuba news.Alvaro, you should read deeper into some Blogs around here as a few have tried to bring to the table the voices of those Iraqis that don't speak English. If you want the links just ask. And no, all the voices were not pro- American.Did you read the Mesopotamian post I left?And did you find out what happened when Iraqis came together to form an new council?Most of the killing going on recently were not part of any resistance to America, But a resistance to Iraqis forming a new government built around new ideas. These people will kill everyone in Iraq just as a distraction. Nice friends you have found here.Madtom
Hey...i agree with bruno totally about the language part, its like going to the engineering assosiation and asking a question about contructions, and when you get 100% correct answers from everyone there you assume that " all iraqi people are great with engineering"we have a joke about the wrong way to make a conclusion:this scientist put a bird on the table and then cliped his hands together, so the bird flyed, then he cut the wings of the bird and put the bird again on the table, clips his hands together, and the bird doesnt move, so he writes in his notes: when you cut a bird's wings it becomes deaf!the same thing applies on the fact that some people read what Iraqis who talk English write, and think that they represent all Iraqis.please read what i wrote earlier about this:http://secretsinbaghdad.blogspot.com/2004_04_01_secretsinbaghdad_archive.html#108258418464894803then scroll down for one second and read the post on april,21 2004, if th elink doesnt work just go to my blog, secretsinbaghdad.blogspot.com and read the post in april 21, dont be lazy:)aw bruno, please email me so i cangive you the adress of your friend:) me*
Blogging is a tiring and an emotional endeveour. May I suggest that we try to be kinder to each other regardless what our views are. Do we have to attack the person just because we disagree with their views?"I diagree with you therefore you are evil"."I disagree with you therefore you are not a real Iraqi" - sounds really funny when it comes from an American."I disagree with you therefore I am gonna tell you which blogs you have to debate on"."I diagree with you therefore I am gonna give you a lecture on how to be a real man"."Real Iraqis believe in x or y".Can we get beyond all this?
Listen, everyone. You will learn NOTHING about Iraq from Khalid or Raed and their Indymedia friends.Do me a favor and compare the latest puerile asides by Khalid with the mature, reasoned, informative blogs by Zeyad at Healing Iraq.Open message to the 'Iraqi resistance'On this and thatI like Raed, but he's practically insane. I love it that he posted a dead-on pastiche of himself sent by a reader. With Khalid, we get no information and no humor. Ugh!*
Jeffrey,Non of your links work.Madtom
Jeffrey, I got great news for you. You don't have to read Raed's or Khalid's blogs. It is a free blogosphere. Which means you can read the blogs you like. I will broker a deal with you and Raed that I think will suit both of you. You ignore his blog and he will ignore your blog equally.
" It is a free blogosphere"It is now, and people are fighting every day to keep it that way, but it might not always be.Madtom
Madtom,Let me try that again.Zeyad's ultimate blogZeyad's penultimate blog*
WTF,I used standard protocal and checked it twice. What gives?*
Even technology is now conspiring to block Jeffrey's tedious propaganda from being disseminated. Happy 35th birthday Internet - thanks for frustrating Jeffrey.
I just remembered. Emigre is using the Blogger comments pages. It sucks.All right. No links.Emigre, spend ten minutes and paste in Haloscan. It's much better than the onboard Blogger comments. Just a suggestion.*
jef,just post the whole address.we will copy and paste. at least i willMadtom
juffrey,Links work here just fine - for example, here's a link to a really useless blog that died because interest in it dwindled to just a few rabid imbeciles, spurred on by their racist, clueless, bigoted and self-centered prima donna 'blogmaster' Besides, as you are the not very proud ex-owner of a failed blog it really only makes you look more ridiculous to come here trying to tell emigré how to organize her blog.Have you got some attention-seeking problem? emigré's blog functions quite well without you or your suggestions and she doesn't really need any input from you at all, especially as you've already demonstrated that you don't know how to run a well-structured, fair and balanced blog. Maybe you're just one of those crashing bores who try to dominate groups with your egotistical belief that you have important and relevant things to say?Your advice to emigré is much like your approach to Iraq, I guess - clueless and irrelevant.
Khalid,http://secretsinbaghdad.blogspot.com/2004_04_01_secretsinbaghdad_archive.html#108258418464894803I don't now where to begin, I am almost sure I have read this before. And today I have too much to say. You should have let me comment at the time I would have said less. I will just ask Questions.Why do you blame US for the sanctions?Why do you question the other Iraqis, they lived though those times too , but they saw it from a different life. From the stuff I have read from you, you could be from Cali, but when you read about life from "their" eye, there is no doubt that they are from Iraq.Who had the real Iraqi life experience, you or them?Madtom
I have never seen ?migré lose her temper before. You go girl! Tell it like it is. I say we totally ban him from this blog because he contributes zilch to the discussion. We can all just delete all his comments in the future. Oh, I know that would be so mean. But jeffrey, not only is my hair bun too tight, it is that time of the month and if that wasn't enough. I am Iraqi and all Iraqis are famous for their temper.
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To Khalid Jarrar:I read your april 21 post. I agree 100% with I read. It seems to me a very plausible explanation about real iraqi guys and real iraqi blogs: The blog and the guys are real, of course, but express a very minority opinion. Your post confirm my comment:"The real iraqis simple doesn't speak english and [at least most of then] is "debating" the occupiers with weapons on hands."I open the Jeffrev's failed blog Iraqi Bloggers Central - An American Looks at Iraq and the Iraqi Bloggers It is so tipical of the average american to start a blog with the infamous, cruel and inhuman name "Cry Me a Riverbend" and then self arrogates to own a "Iraqi Bloggers Central":Jeffrev: I read all Riberbend's blog, since the early days of the invasion, and, if you really starts a blog with this name, "Cry Me a Riverbend", you just deserve, plus the failure of your blog, those words: "Vai para a puta que o pariu, gringo filho de uma puta!"[People, please: don't try to translate those words from brazilian Portuguese: they are too offensive. I'm not here to insult nobody, but, sorry, the reference to Riverbend's blog (she isn't posting by months) is too much to me.]Aquele abraço! (Especially hug!)Alvaro Frota
To madton:"Why do you blame US for the sanctions?"Please, madton, google Internet yourself! Try [Iraq+economic+sanctions] or Iraq+depleted+uranium] or [Iraq+cancer] or [Gulf+war] and read. There are LOTS of articles about this subject, many of all wrote by american people that are NOT as this troll that posts here.Doen't misunderstand me. I'm not telling you to don't ask question here. I'm telling you to ALSO do some research.If you really pretend to learn about the Iraq occupation of course.Aquele abraço!Alvaro Frota
Khalid --I mailed you my private email address. In case you didn't get it, this is my "public" one:firstname.lastname@example.orgI'll return to the fray shortly.--Bruno--
Dilnareen, Khalid --The language issue : Perhaps I have opened a can of worms here. What Dilnareen says about Riverbend & yourself (Khalid) is true ... however, I was thinking of Zeyad, who seemed to be fairly influenced by his (British, if I recall) childhood. On the other hand, what Khalid says also makes a lot of sense. Also, I feel one can tell quite a bit about a people from the language they speak, and they way they speak. I'd imagine that a little would rub off on a person studying a foreign language and culture ... but to what extent ... I don't know. I find the point an interesting one to discuss, though ...Ihath --""Real Iraqis believe in x or y"." I can't help but feel that that comment is directed at me. Look, all that I am inferring is that the pro-US invasion / liberation Iraqi blogs are in a minority view when compared to what various polls on the ground, especially lately, have said. I can't speak on behalf of anybody, really. I'm just drawing my conclusions from news reports, blogs and my faculty of reason. Feel free to argue with me. ;)--Bruno--
Emigre --Jeffrey said : "Emigre, spend ten minutes and paste in Haloscan." God no, please don't! I detest Haloscan. Ever tried to write a 6000 letter essay in six parts? No thanks.Speaking of which ...Jeffrey --"This post has been removed by a blog administrator"Ha ha ha! The wheel turns, huh?Perhaps if you gave more respect to dissenting opinions on your own site, others would treat you with more respect ...Alvaro --"Vai para a puta que o pariu, gringo filho de uma puta!"[Oh come on! I can't resist trying to translate. Let's see ... vai para ... seems like "go and". Puta ... umm ... I'll leave that out ... no, I won't. Puta = 'lady of ill repute' Pariu I don't know, but it seems nasty from the context. 'Gringo' everybody knows , and the rest = 'son of a' "puta", the meaning of which we have established. Hmmm. I can get behind that. --Bruno--
Bruno:Please, don't comment my nasty comment above...Try to commente my good one... The last (to now) in the thread of the Khalid post 2 - 0 !!!...Aquele abraço!Alvaro Frota
aw i sure welcome all openions, but i am only suggesting here, guys, do you think its ok to create a blog, tell noly jef and madtom about it, and tell them i made it? i will be writting stuffs there, like the alphabaetics, and they will come to droll everyday and say that i am not understanding them right, and that this missunderstand comes from the fact that i am anti-occupation, the point is they will stay busy there, and let us live happile ever after, doesnt his idea make you all smile? me*
Emigre,There was nothing offensive in my last two posts. No curse words, just humor.Okay, that's it for me. So long, everyone. If you want to talk to me (and I know you do), stop by Healing Iraq, Iraq the Model, Hammorabi, Iraq at a Glance, or Shut Up You Fat Whiner (Salam Pax's new blog).Party on, dudes!*
it is funny jeffI know u r saying what you want to believe it is rightbut what happened in Iraq is not. periodthe ppl you mentioned they live in an illusion that they will face the reality one day and regret allot of things that they said. but I hope that I am wrong
Alvaro --I'm sorry, I shouldn't have done that. Between the devil on my shoulder and a mischevious impulse, I was unable to resist.I'll not do it again.--Bruno--
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