Monday, October 24, 2005

More numbers - secret poll results

Yiikes. But this reflects worries that have been plaguing me for the past few weeks. Do I like what this implies? Nope. But you deserve the truth and you shall have it.

Poll results from a secret poll commissioned by Britain's Defense Ministry In Iraq, and obtained by London's Telegraph:

Eighty-two percent of respondents said they "strongly oppose" troops being in their country, 67 percent feel less secure and 72 percent have no confidence that the occupation will succeed.

45 percent approve of attacks on foreign troops.

Worse still:
In some areas 65 percent support attacks, and less than one percent think the occupation is improving security.

Is it really any surprise?

Sources: the ScienceDaily, and the World Peace Herald (if only we had some).

Update: Tellingly, even Iraq The Model are having trouble explaining this poll to their regular visitors, having conceded that "maybe even 90% of the people in any country do not want foreign troops" and "it could be true or close to the truth that 82% of Iraqis do not want the troops to stay indefinitely". I would venture that staying indefinitely or not is a mute point, opposing the presence of troops is opposing the presence of troops. Quoting the article:

82 per cent are "strongly opposed" to the presence of coalition troops.

Re article authenticity queries. Sean Rayment is a London Telegraph Defence Correspondent, a few web searches will throw up other articles of his (yes and some as controversial too - go to the tele, key "sean rayment" into the search box and click go). I do-not sense fabrication and do recognise the journalistic style, typical in that poll reportage is in itself formulaic and generally closely follows questionnaire wording. For example. How the question behind the finding that "such and such per cent are 'strongly opposed' to the presence of coalition troops" might typically be phrased:

Overall, do you support or oppose the presence of coalition troops in Iraq? Is that strongly/somewhat support or somewhat/strongly oppose?

1. Strongly support
2. Somewhat support
3. Somewhat oppose
4. Strongly oppose

Nuff said. Question forensically reconstructed. Good poll reportage sticks closely to questionnaire wording because, as many astute netizens are aware, different answers can be obtained by asking different questions.

As for queries re the time frame and researchers, the Telegraph article states the poll was conducted in August and:

by an Iraqi university research team that, for security reasons, was not told the data it compiled would be used by coalition forces.

While the article states the team weren't told who the client was for security purposes, it's not uncommon for client names to be with-held from interviewers in some reknowned international research organisations because it helps prevent interviewer bias. So far, methodology sounds legit to me.

Very fairly, I thought, the article also compares the results to another earlier poll and notes that:

The findings differ markedly from a survey carried out by the BBC in March 2004 in which the overwhelming consensus among the 2,500 Iraqis questioned was that life was good. More of those questioned supported the war than opposed it.

And queries re polling areas? The article specifically mentions results from Maysan (one of the four provinces under British control) and Basra. Given that Maysan is "traditionally the home to many Marsh Arabs" and that the Marsh Arabs are amoung the few who have faired well under this war with the reclamation of marshlands, it is striking that even so "65 per cent of people in Maysan - believe that attacks against coalition forces are justified". Why is this? Could it be that, though the marshes are irrigated again, the people are still largely poor and brassed off? In citing results for "Justification for Violent Attacks", results from Basra are compared with Iraq as a whole:

The report states that for Iraq as a whole, 45 per cent of people feel attacks are justified. In Basra, the proportion is reduced to 25 per cent.

Again, I cannot help but notice how even keeled the whole article is - having published "less sensational" results along with the damning 82 per cent finding. I also find it interesting that Basra is not as supportive of violent means and think this is consistent with cities globally. I have a theory that people in larger population centres are generally more passive. Town dwellers might fight the rat race but they are also the ones out on the streets en mass during anti-war demonstrations, they like to eat and shop and have electricity and don't like it when this is disturbed by having everything around them blowing up all the while.

Are Iraq The Model correct to question poll results? Yes, by all means question anything when the fog of war is all about us. I just wish those two were as critical of all the pro-war drivel their visitors feed them.


#10/24/2005 06:27:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger richsanter

the "poll" sounds like bias crap to me. where is the date from this poll? how many iraqis were asked? what was the response rate? what questions were they asked? how were they selected for this study? a little more information about this would be helpful. oh right, there is no date 'cause it was a super double secret poll. any moron can see that this poll is very, very flawed by looking at the few numbers they give. whatever though, people will believe what they want to believe. its no surprise only extreme liberal websites that are anti-war ran the article about the poll

#10/24/2005 08:00:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger emigre

If you'd bothered to read deeper rich, you might have noticed that the poll was conducted by Iraqi researchers.

I'm sure the researchers will be pleased to see you belittling and underestimating their efforts. Way to go. Ace public relations spiel, rich.

I see you're determined to make the war ever more popular with your sensitivity.

#10/24/2005 08:11:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger richsanter

emigre, i did read deeper and i did see who conducted the poll, but that doesn't stop me from asking questions. you were the one that tought me to always ask questions! i dont consider asking questions as belittling them. i've taken many statistics and research methods classes and i know how easy it can be to conduct bias...for example, when was this poll taken? where was it taken? everyone knows that the british have been having trouble in the basrah area recently, so it would be best to know if the numbers were just a recent change in opinions. 1 poll tells nothing and you really should know that. i wish i could say that im shocked by your ignorance and quickness to accept any half-assed poll that surfaces, but not.

#10/24/2005 09:06:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger emigre

Flattered as I am by the thought I might have taught you something rich, there is still a, what shall we call it, "margin of error" between your readyness to question anything that suggests war might be unpopular as opposed to anything that might suggest it is.

But hey, if our leaders prefer to ignore public opinion and dig themselves deeper into the mire you can't exactly say they were totally ignorant after commissioning studies like this.

#10/24/2005 05:57:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger Bruno

Emigre, if richsanter was so statistically numerate, he might do well to post the results from a few OTHER polls taken in Iraq in order to do a comparison test and to demonstrate that these results are out of synch with the others.

But he can't.

He can't because the fact is, all the other polls have the same message. That's why.

#10/24/2005 06:31:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger shystee

We have a category at my blog called "Science for Republicans". See, Right Wingers aren't big fans of science, especially when it conflicts with their pre-concieved notions.

Don't like what the science says? Question the methods and claim bias.

Global Warming is a perfect example. Right-wingers have been smearing the scientists' conclusions for at least a decade.

#10/24/2005 07:50:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Anonymous Sky-Ho


Had you bothered to read the source article, the survey was conducted during the month of August, just before the Brits "rescued" their own "agitators" from a jail.

That article compares the survey to a very public survey taken the year before.

If you are asking questions about a poll, until you get the answers, how can you even think to come to a judgement about the results?

#10/24/2005 08:59:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger richsanter

honestly, i could care less what you people think. like i said, people will believe whatever they want to believe....but the numbers dont add up. over 80% oppose the MNF? that's crap. first of all, all i asked for was more info before treating this poll as the word of god. am i to believe that vast numbers of kurds, turks, and christians now hate the MNF and want them to leave? well, according to the poll that must be true. if those groups support the MNF still, then 99% of shiites and 100% of sunnis oppose the MNF, which i find hard to believe also, especially since less than 30% of people in basra are against the MNF...where are these numbers coming from? you can claim im a republican, a racist, pro-american...whatever, but the numbers don't add up. this poll stinks like emigre after a night of whoring-around. this poll is so bad that aljazeera wont even use it.

#10/25/2005 02:01:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger richsanter

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#10/25/2005 08:33:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger emigre

Meh, last comment that rich' deleted before he realised his post had posted afterall:

"i made a post, but it was obviously deleted by adolph emigre. i guess i cannot defend myself in a civilized way. perhaps i should vent my displeasure through beheadings, as is the norm for muslims."

- richsanter 10/25/2005 02:01:54 AM

Last of the great misconclusions.

The norm for venting displeasure through beheading probably resides with the French. We don't do that here.

#10/25/2005 10:31:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger Bruno

Alright people, why don't we look at the OTHER polls that have been taken that directly address the issue of US troop presence and whether the Iraqi people support this?

For example:

Poll conducted by the Pan Arab Research Center of Dubai in March 22-April 9, 2004 for CNN / Gallup.

For results based on this sample, one can say with 95% confidence that the maximum error attributable to sampling and other random effects is ±1.7%

The US-British military action in Iraq [can be justified] 31% [cannot be justified] 52%

Current attacks against US forces in Iraq: [can be justified] 30% [cannot be justified] 47% Sometimes can sometimes cannot : 22%

In your opinion which would you prefer – for the U.S. and British forces to leave Immediately : 57% Stay a while longer: 36%

In your opinion, how have U.S. forces in Iraq conducted themselves
[badly] : 58% [well] 34%

On balance, do you, personally, now think of the Coalition forces mostly as occupiers, or mostly as liberators?
Occupiers: 71% Liberators: 19%

At the time of the invasion last spring, did you, personally, think of the Coalition forces mostly as occupiers, or as liberators?
Occupiers: 43% Liberators: 43%


Public Opinion in Iraq
First Poll Following Abu Ghraib Revelations
Baghdad, Basrah, Mosul, Hillah,Diwaniyah, Baqubah
14-23 May 2004

Conducted by IIACSS in Baghdad, Basrah, Mosul, Diwaniyah,
Hillah & Baqubah between 14 and 23 May. (Sample can be taken as indicative of areas sampled with overall Margin of Error of ±4.1%)

Iraqi Confidence in Coalition Forces : 10% in May 2004

Compared to 3 months ago my opinion of Moqtada al-Sadr is: Better: 81%
[Following Al Sadr's armed rebellion]

What powers should the unelected, interim government have for its 7 months in office? Order Coalition Forces to leave Iraq: 70% in May 2004

Which of the following contributes most to your sense of security? Coalition Foces: 1% Joint CF Iraqi Patrols: 1% Family& Friends: 71%

The Coalition Forces are: Occupiers 92% Liberators: 2%

How long should Coalition Forces stay in Iraq?
Leave immediately 41% Leave after a permanent government is elected: 45% [Total 86%]


Abu Dhabi TV/Zogby International poll - January 19 to 23, 2005 on behalf of television broadcaster Abu Dhabi TV. The margin of error is +/- 3.6 percentage points.

"Majorities of both Sunni Arabs (82%) and Shiites (69%) also favor U.S. forces withdrawing either immediately or after an elected government is in place"

Clearly we can see that every other major poll underscores the MoD poll and in fact this latest poll fits neatly within the trends displayed by the previous polls.

But of course, according to SOME people, these polls will doubtless be a collective consipiracy by CNN, Gallup, the Pan Arab Research Center of Dubai, Zogby International, Abu Dhabi TV, IIACSS and the British Ministry of Defence just to smear mud on the glorious cause of Bushy-wushy and his deluded drones.

I think we can safely say that they are enmeshed within a fantasy world of their own making, into which any intrusions of reality are to be severely rejected. Unfortunately their delusions intrude on OUR world in a most negative manner and thus their noses must be rubbed into the poo they left on the carpet at every opportunity.

#10/25/2005 10:55:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger richsanter

emigre, thank you for reposting my comment. i accidentally deleted it. i also meant to call you a raghead camel-fucking sandmonkey, but forgot. please accept my belated insults on your culture. why did you bash the french? upset that they banned your beautiful hijab?

bruno, what is the reason behind you writing for 45mins about polls that are over a year old? 1, i dont care to verify your statistics, and 2, those polls have no bearing on the latest poll in question. 1 year ago today bush's approval rating was probably a few points over 50%, but look at it now. who knows what it will be next year. things change.

i appreciate all the comments. im surprised nobody called me a zionist or racist though. i make one comment and everyone is on me like stink on a muslim. personally, i could care less. in my own opinion, i wish the US would leave iraq right after the Dec. elections and i will then watch, with great sadness, as the terrorists turn it into a nice taliban state. of course you hippies wont care. you are more worried about acid rain and global warming than human rights in muslim nations. you hippies are more concerned about the death penalty in the US than human rights abuses in palestine, syria, saudi arabia, pakistan, etc. i mean, the saudi gov't beheads people, yet i dont see mass protests about that. palestinians shoot a family waiting at the bus stop, or eat at a sbarros, yet there are no mass protests. when a muslim is told to put women's underwear on his head and has a dog bark at him, then its global jihad.

actually, im rooting for the hippies. i hope they get what they want and they abandon the kurds, chaldeans, turks, and hopefully masses of muslims are killed in a nice long civil war, just like in afghanistan. hopefully the US gets a cool liberal president in ' jimmy carter. that was a guy that knew how to get things done. im waiting for the liberals to replace the pledge in schools with the "death to america" chants that iran uses. seriously, i hope the terrorists win and then maybe the muslims will rot in hell for another century or two. that would be sweet. i wish i could be around in the year 3,500 to see muslims wear hijabs and herding goats, being the poorest, most backwards people on the planet.

#10/25/2005 02:13:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger Bruno

[rs] “bruno, what is the reason behind you writing for 45mins about polls that are over a year old? 1, i dont care to verify your statistics, and 2, those polls have no bearing on the latest poll in question. 1 year ago today bush's approval rating was probably a few points over 50%, but look at it now. who knows what it will be next year. things change.”

[rs] “1, i dont care to verify your statistics”

(Because you can’t dispute them.)

[rs] “2, those polls have no bearing on the latest poll in question.”

Uh, yes they do, given that the stats in those polls are consistently within the range of the MoD poll – stats that you dismissed as – what was it – ‘very very flawed’ and ‘crap’ and that the ‘numbers don’t add up’. Therefore, this latest poll doesn’t actually add anything new to the conversation – it CONFIRMS that the previously reported trends are consistent.

Uh, gee, you just lost. Again.

“bruno, what is the reason behind you writing for 45mins about polls that are over a year old?”

Gosh, I don’t know, what could my reasons possibly be?

Now that’s a toughie.

Perhaps to show how ignorant and retarded you are? Or could it be to demonstrate to the world that your “analysis” of the poll’s deficiencies is just sour-grapes crap?

Or could it be merely to confirm that if (duh) a Muslim country is invaded by Muslim hating turds such as yourself the net result is that they WILL INDEED hate your guts and want you OUT.

Hey, listen, loser (and yes, you ALWAYS LOSE) if you want to hate Muslims, well, that’s fine. No problem. In fact, thanks for your honesty in stating it so upfront. It sure saves me the hassle of dragging it out of you.

But, and this is a big BUT, don’t then pretend to be concerned about the question of whether Iraqis LIKE you or not, or whether they enjoy the ‘liberties’ the Occupation has brought. It’s very obvious that you enjoy it when the US goes on a rampage and kills a bunch of preferably Muslim Iraqis.

Now, that’s hypocrisy.

At least have the decency to keep your racism pure and admit that (a) you hate Iraqi Muslims (b) They’d rip you apart like a pi?ata if they found you on the streets of Baghdad and knew who you were.

There, that keeps the conversation aboveboard and honest.

Now, unless you have something relevant to add to the conversation (other than disputing the contents of a poll which you actually DON’T CARE about, or random insults) shove off, why don’t you?

#10/25/2005 07:15:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger richsanter

bruno, why dont you go trolling on another site? first of all, i didnt say i was a racist. i didnt realize islam was a race now instead of a religion. if i didnt like catholics, would you consider me a racist? look of the definition of the word. i'm sure there is another "ism" for people that hate a religion.

second "Bruno", your poll numbers were conducted right after abu gharaib i believe. i dont know why anyone would do polls during that time, because it would be a waste of money. you need an education, then you will learn about biases in research methods. sure, every poll has a bias, but doing one right after abu gharaib is a damn big one. too big for the poll to be valid. look at bush's approval ratings after hurricane katrina, or after 9/11. those polls aren't valid either.

3rd,, i dont care what iraqis think. eh, maybe a little...but not enough to make me change my opinion. in the beginning i was simply writing about how more info is needed about the poll before taking the numbers seriously, that's all. of course questioning emigre got the online mujahadeen on me "like stink on a muslim." so to answer your questions bruno, no, i dont care what iraqis think, yes, i dont enjoy seeing them die, and no, that isnt hypocracy.

perhaps you should pull your thumb out of emigre's brown ass and troll on another site, because you obviously have nothing intelligent to add to this one. consider yourself spanked.

#10/26/2005 03:42:00 am Assalam Aleikom Anonymous Anonymous

Thanks for bringing up the old poll stats B, puts the "secret poll" figures in context and adds a sense of history. Polling is valuable over time, when patterns begin to emerge, in this case pointing to a worriesome hardening of opinion.

It's just a shame there wasn't any preliminary opinion polling before the most recent referendum, if conducted with integrity preliminary polling could have helped illuminate any major voting discrepencies and perhaps helped in addressing fraud.

#10/26/2005 06:56:00 am Assalam Aleikom Anonymous An Italian.

Dear Emigré,

you must be very tolerant indeed to allow this ape Richsanter to post his sectarian and racist abuse on your blog.

What strikes me is that his posts are idiotic as well. 'Richsanter' forgets to mention that the poll was paid for by the British military, not by some anti-war group or by some media outlet.
The Brits paid for the poll, and it is quite sure that they checked with care if its methodology was reliable or not; they wanted to know for positive about the trends of Iraqi public opinion about the occupation, and how they translated into physical danger to them.
Benighted 'richsanter', do you truly believe that such a poll could ever be "very, very flawed"?

I do know that for critters such as you are it is quite difficult to think, but, please, do make an effort sometime...

#10/26/2005 09:26:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger richsanter

italian whore, again, when did islam become a race? because i dont like a religion im a racist? that doesnt make sense...yet, you call me idiotic? if i did not like southern baptists, would i be called a racist? you bizzaro liberals just make up your own definitions for words to suit your zionist, imperialist, communist, left-wing, terrorist agenda. if someone questions islam, then they are immediately branded a racist. this is how the world shuts up the little guys, like myself. what a sad world we live in when 1 man cannot even state his opinion without someone using threats, intimidating, and torture against him?

also, italian, this is not emigres blog. it is a blog ran by a group of contributors, even though emigre and her KGB agents have succeeded in silencing the dissidents, she doesn't quite have 100% power yet. certain people, such as myself, have vowed to fight the hate and propaganda that spews from emigre until the very end of my life. sure, i may be imprisoned and surely beated and killed...but, if i dont try to stop emigre and her satanic followers, such as bruno, who will? someone has to stand up to the islamo-fascists of the world.

italian, i could care less who paid for the poll...what matters is who conducted it. again, for the 68th time, all i asked for is more information before people rush off with this bullshit half-assed info and trust it as the truth. apparently, this is considered racism. apparently, waiting for additional info is considered pro-war and is idiotic. apparently, waiting for additional info makes me a zionist and imperialist. perhaps it also makes me a crusader.

italian, i worked for several government agencies in the past, local, state, and federal...and i have seen polls and other things paid for by the government turn out to be crap. the government, especially when relying on a foreign country, is at even worse mercy. iraq doesnt exactly have the finest universities in the world, so it isnt as if the british asked these people to do a poll because of their fantastic reputation. 90% of the money allocated for the poll was probably either stolen or given to terror organizations. the rest was probably spent paying homeless iraqis to answer the questions....a very scientific way to conduct a poll. please, excuse me if i think muslims are slightly backwards. im only basing this on the history of the religion. so yes, iraqis could screw up a poll even if it was paid for by the british. the funny thing is, what would you guys have said if the poll showed that 80% of iraqis support the MNF? would you say that it must be true since the british paid for it? no, you would say that the british paid for it so it cant be true. funny how hypocritical liberals are. consider yourself spanked, critter style.

#10/27/2005 02:47:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger Bruno

Richsanter, you loser, don’t you get embarrassed by your intellectual scarcity and your devious manner, here demonstrated to the world?

If I make a definitive point that (a) you hate muslims and want to see them die and link this to (b) 90% of Iraqis are Muslim and come to the conclusion that (c) you actually DON’T CARE about Iraqis and whether they like you or not, and in fact just want to see them die … and I link this to the fact that trying to hold both beliefs at once merely makes you a lying, losing hypocrite, only bent on disruption and annoyance.

Your response? A rant about the definition of ‘racism’.


Alright, then, if you prefer, substitute ‘religious bigot’ for ‘racist’ and ‘religious bigotry’ for ‘racism’.

My argument still holds. You are in fact, a cowardly hypocrite who is too scared to state upfront that you hate Iraqis, Arabs and any other sort of Muslim and wish them all dead, and that in fact you could care less about the poll results.

My God, this is the internet, what are we going to do, beat you with a big stick?


#10/27/2005 03:18:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Anonymous Anonymous

"certain people, such as myself, have vowed to fight the hate and propaganda that spews from emigre until the very end of my life"

Beating up on a pacifist must sure be life threatening and scary. Wow gee whiz it's miraculous to see you have survived it all rich and are able to tell the story of your life as well, here on this blog where all faiths and denominations are represented in some way or another.

You worked for several government agencies rich? What, as the janitor? Not that it matters mind, I have some very good friends who have janitored in times of need.

#10/27/2005 09:27:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger richsanter

bruno and anonymous bruno,

you are truly the definition of a troll. you post no facts, only insults and threats of violence. i thought you hippie liberals were all about the bill of rights, free speach, free love, and all that other bullshit. why cant i state my own opinion without being called a loser, or even worse? in fact, im not the only person that thinks the poll results are garbage. iraqthemodel made a similar post recently also questioning the results. go call some these other people losers. tell them they are racists and hate iraqis, even though they are from iraq. im sick of listening to your foul-mouth rants.

#10/28/2005 03:36:00 am Assalam Aleikom Anonymous Anonymous

I may be the anonymous you are referring to rich. I can assure you I am most certainly not Bruno.

I cannot understand why you spend so much time trying to discredit this survey, unless the data scares you.

One after another your arguments have been rased, and yet you return to contradict yourself over and again.

#10/28/2005 07:07:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger richsanter

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#10/28/2005 08:13:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger emigre

Bruno, Anon et all

Please try to ignore richsanter. He is only interested in spreading disinformation and getting attention. He has posted quite enough times already on this thread and having nothing new to add is just hogging the alphabet.

I don't mind if people want to take the time to rebuke illogical claims but aren't really in the mood for playing mama re name calling and baiting.

Rich, you got trolled and lost the plot. Now blog off.

#10/28/2005 08:58:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger richsanter

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#10/28/2005 09:32:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger Bruno

[rs] "iraqthemodel made a similar post recently also questioning the results. go call some these other people losers."

Done so already rich. You're a little slow on the uptake, huh? Go check it out.

Emigre --

I hear you loud n' clear. You are of course, right. Although on the other hand, the more he throws his toys here, the less time he has to spam Iraqi's blogs with his delightful comments.

Such as the ones that you deleted, for example. Such Shakespearean prose! Alas, those gilded words are now lost forever to our descendents, and they will not be able to drink from the honeyed fountain that is santer's pen.

I hope that we are not hated too much for causing this loss ... ;)

OK, I'm officially done with this story.

Cheerio, and congrats on the patience. (With me too, I know I can get outta hand sometimes :) )

#10/28/2005 06:44:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger emigre

Thank you Bruno.

Just for the record, this was richsanter's comment deleted as at 0/28/2005 08:58:16 AM

"why dont you fuck yourself you skanky little sandnigger? now hop on your fucking camel and go suck bruno's dick, ok? that's why i think of you and your worthless opinions bitch. please leave this up for everyone to see just in case there are a few new people to the site that dont know how i already feel about terrorist-supporting muslims like yourself. enjoy your weekend. please "blog off"


There, you have your Shakespearean prose back. Who knows, perhaps he thinks he's Henry Miller (ugh).

#10/29/2005 02:36:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger richsanter

bruno, please post your address so i can beat you with a fucking crowbar. emigre, it's too bad i dont live in australia otherwise i'd choke the muslim right out of you.

#10/29/2005 03:15:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Anonymous Anonymous

How sad must it be to be someone like richsanter. Except for removing Saddam i can't think of any reason why the Iraqis would like the Coalition. You blew it with Abu Ghraib and failed to provide security.

#10/30/2005 02:27:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger richsanter

anon, i said before that i dont care what those people think, so why are you making these posts? you blew it when your muslim friends cut off the heads of innocent people. you make me sick. im going to spit in the face of the next muslim i see just for you.

#10/31/2005 02:03:00 am Assalam Aleikom Anonymous Anonymous

Some people believe some beheading footage was created by psy-operatives (or bored film-makers with a surplus of ken-dolls).

War is not very nice either way, it brings out the worst in people. Would citizens have spat so readily in other citizens faces before all this?

#10/31/2005 05:18:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger richsanter

bruno, aka anon, your comments show your obvious ignorance. yeah, muslims arent really beheading innocent people to please their god, its obviously a zionist conspiracy to make muslims look like crazy fucks. and when i see all these muslims on tv dancing like idiots shooting guns in the air...again, a zionist conspiracy....and when i saw muslims dancing in the streets like it was new years after 9/11, again a zionist conspiracy. when iranians chat "death to americans" and burn our flag that is also a zionist conspiracy. the real muslims are the most honorable people on the planet. in fact, the middle east is really the home of all the technological, scientifical and medical breakthroughs. the americans just steal their ideas and take credit for it. another conspiracy. no matter what muslims do people like you and emigre will always believe that americans are the violent maniacs and people like zarqawi and bin laden dont even exist.

#10/31/2005 09:35:00 am Assalam Aleikom Anonymous Anonymous

It could've been worse richsanter. She could've chosen to count the 2,000th dead US soldier.

I don't know why you're bellyaching about this poll when you could be complaining that she hasn't acknowledged all the troops that have died.

#11/01/2005 07:09:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger richsanter

emigre, you have no idea how much i hate you. stupid brown bitch. go fuck a camel you sandnigger whore. please keep this post up so that everyone knows the disgust i have for you and your terrorist supporting people.


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