Sunday, August 08, 2004

Allawi, the democracy protector

I REALLY wish that you could see the press conference that Allawi held yesterday, I really wish that you all could speak Arabic, so you can know what a dirty arrogant fascist this man is, besides the Baathist background (yes believe it or not, he was a Baathist) that this man have, besides all the talk that he is the first to import torturing instruments in Saddam's time, beside the talk about him working in an assassination unit for the CIA sometime in the past, (well, people talk you know, but as we say in Arabic, there is no smoke without fire) besides the fact that he came to Iraq in an American tank, beside the fact that he is appointed by the occupation, beside all that, you should have seen the press conference yesterday, to see what kind of people he is.
I will give you just a small example:
Reporter: Mr. President, these operations that are taking place now, and killing of the Iraqi citizens, the arrest of Aldari (the son of the head of the Sunna Muslims community leader) and the attempt of arresting Alsadr that failed because of the resistance of Almahdi army, all these things, does it happen under approval from your government?
Allawi: Iraqi citizens? Which Iraqi citizens? We are the Iraqi government, we are the Iraqi citizens, those you talk about are insurgents, and your question is not an innocent question, you meant it in a bad way, and who is the man you just mentioned?
The reporter: Aldari
(Allawi pretends he doesn’t know the man, who is one of the most important characters in the Suna community, who was in an interview with the LBC, the Lebanese broadcasting corporation, where he explained that the community of Sunna are not going to participate in the so-called National conference that Allawi's government intends to make, and Aldari was arrested just few hours after that.)
So the reporter replies: Aldari, the son of the head of Suna community.
Allawi looks embarrassed and says quickly: he was let go (now it seems that Allawi knows the man at least, great), next question.

Iraqi reporter: Mr. President (its common to call the prime minister a president), the mayor of Alnajaf said that there were 400 people killed in the last two days, is that true?
Allawi looks at the reporter with anger: where were you since the beginning of the conference? Weren’t you listening to me? Weren’t you paying attention?
REPEAT WHAT I SAID EARLIER, DID YOU HEAR ME TALKING ABOUT THAT EARLIER?? REPEAT WHAT I SAID EARLIER.

The reporter: you said that the minister of internal affairs doesn’t have information about that, and that when he gets the information he would let you know.

Allawi: so you know that?????

The reporter shaking: but Mr. President, the mayor said…
Allawi: when we have information we will let you know, next question.

And the conference went on and on, he was extremely rude to the reporters, he just reminds you very much of Saddam, HE IS THE IRAQI CITIZENS, AND EVERYONE ELSE ARE THUGS.
When I was looking at him , remembered Noori il Saeed, the prime minister appointed in Iraq by the British occupation in Iraq, that what we studied in the history books in the school, and we thought at that time, that occupation is something we read about in history only, that happens in old centuries, and doesn’t happen these days be cause of the international law and international community, but here we go, back to my point, I remembered Noori il Saeed, who was acting the same way Allawi is acting, and was called a British agent, like Allawy is called an American agent, you know what happened to him? As soon as the masses caught him, they dragged him in the streets for days, and he was and still, cursed every time he is mentioned, since then, and for ever, I can see that Allawi didn’t learn the lesson, probably he thinks that these things used to happen for people like him in the past centuries, and it doesn’t happen these days, well, lets wait and see…
me*

32 Comments

#8/08/2004 03:52:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger Rosemary

I had no idea! Thank you for your insight. I was under the impression that most people were willing to give him a chance, and he wasn't religious (even though he is Sunni.) I had read that he said the people in Najaf were criminals-the ones who were fighting. Then I read that someone else says it isn't MS, and he is going to offer amnesty to minor criminals! I wish I could wave a magic wand and make the electricity work 24/7, there were no prejudices, stability was the norm, and you could all vote out the creeps you don't like in office! Well, at least you can vote him out of office in January. My heart breaks for the Iraqi people, the Sudanese, Somalians, N. Koreans, Burmese, Thia, Hong Kong, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Congo, Venasuala, Saudi Arabians, Syrians, Iranians, Yemenese, and Chinese. So many people, too few people willing to help them. Maybe it is because it is dangerous, but is it truly right to live in comfort while your brothers and sisters live in tyranny? I think-NO. I am only a lonely voice, though. My own country is divided because of ignorance. They want to live in comfort, and do not understand that al Qaeda has declared war AGAINST US. We must fight back, no matter the cost. Do we really want to live like Isreal? Car bombs everyday? Suicide bombers? I think not! We must fight with strength and unity. We can help so many people by giving them money, but why not set them free so they can make their own money? Make their own governments according to their own constitutions? Wouldn't that be better? Freedom? Basic human rights? Yes, freedom is the best. I live in the USA. I wanted to finish Saddam in 1991! Do you know why we couldn't? The stupid coalition wouldn't allow us to finish the job. I am so glad we didn't wait for France to change it's mind, that friend of Saddam-and they are thieves of Iraqi food for oil. They owe you money, about $10 billion so far as we can figure. We are investigating it because the UN is a toothless organ for dictators. It was never meant to be that way. It was created to prevent genocide from ever happening again. They never look or listen. Only when someone complains about the USA. I hate the French and the UN. I know it is wrong, and I pray God will forgive me, but that is just plain evil to let people suffer. Oh well, I may have spoken too much already. Thank you for letting me go on and on. You gave Nabil good advice. That is how I found your site. It is a very nice site. God bless your family and you, and peace be with you always.

 
#8/08/2004 04:09:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Anonymous Anonymous

If you finished reading this. This is my answer to Jarrar:
Baghdad dwellerLadyBird

 
#8/08/2004 04:49:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger emigre

Khalid & Ladybird ~ thank you both. It is great to hear such variety in opinion, your differing observations make the blogosphere (and Iraq) a richer place.

Rosemary ~ thank you for your contribution. I usually prefer commenters keep things brief but i can see that you are sincere so that's ok. As you might have noticed, there are several contributers to this weblog who express a variety of views, each in their own inimitable style. A desire to create hope for Iraq's future unites us all.

 
#8/08/2004 09:00:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger khalid jarrar

hi:)
thank you ladybird for your comment, but as in a democratic system, i have the right to reply, right?:)
ok, first allawi didnt mean iran when he was answering the reporters question about "killing iraqis" for two reasons, the first, is that obviously he was acusing the reporter that he meant: "you foreigner (referring to Allawi) are assisting americans in killing iraqis" thats why he told him "hatha so2al moba66an, means in english, this question has a mean inside meaning" the second reason is that its totally funny to think that Iran would support Alsadir with his fight, totally funny, you need to go read a bit about the Irani-Sadr relations, these are basics, besides, Sadr is totally pro-arab and pro Iraq, besides, he is not really lacking men, or weapons.
Sadir and Iran?? nooooo!

about your second comment, its really frustrating, really really frustrating, that you forgot all the part about the way he was talking to the reporter, like a teacher to a terrible student, and just saw the line where i said that the reporter was shaking, really frustrating, ok, this is a language expression, i used to express the atmosphere, that Allawi was intorrigating the man, and i am sorry for it, i take it back, never mind, would you now leave all these secondary, irrelevant parts, and focus on the core?
thank you very much:))
me*

 
#8/08/2004 10:06:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger Heiko

Hi Khalid,

Allawi is only in office temporarily (until January), and as far as I am aware, he isn't eligible to stand in the elections. So, you'll automatically be rid of him, and you'll be able to vote in somebody you like better.

While he is in office, I feel you should support his efforts to stabilise the country, and ask for "regime change" through peaceful means only.

The reason being that armed "resistance" will bring misery to Iraqis.

Allawi must react to armed challenges to his authority through force of arms. The only alternative is to give in and let the country be taken over by those who challenge him militarily (elections are already schedules, clearly those challenging him aren't interested in peaceful regime change).

How can people complain about lack of electricity, and yet cheer those who blow up pipelines and electricity pylons?

How can people complain about insecurity and crime, and yet support attacks on Iraqi police forces?

One would think that to be consistent, people would either oppose the insurgents' tactics, or gladly bear the lack of electricity in the fight to get rid of the occupation.

Best wishes,
Heiko

 
#8/08/2004 10:11:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Anonymous Anonymous

Check it out here Al-Sadr and Iran support through Hezbollah in lebanon.

Al-Sadr and IranAnd this is from Zyad (healing Iraq)

would think it highly improbable that he is an Iranian puppet, although his ties to the Grand Ayatollah Kadhum Al-Ha'eri (Iraqi exiled cleric in Iran) are well known (Muqtada himself confessed once some time ago that he was Al-Ha'eri's agent in Iraq which was the main reason he gathered such a following as well as his father's reverence by Iraqi Shia). I admit that is highly possible that he has recieved financial support from Iran but not to the extent as to work in behalf of them in Iraq. There are rumours of existing training camps for Al-Mahdi volunteers in Iran along the Iraqi border, but I think it is very improbable that the Iranian regime would be so open in their support for the dissenting cleric.

However, it is also hard to believe that a young and inexperienced cleric with no real popular support from the Hawza would succeed in recruiting, financing, and training an army of 10,000 Shi'ites, as well as setting up offices, newspapers, and a huge propaganda machine all by himself. All of his aides and supporters are young and impoverished, a large number of them are known to people as criminals, thieves, looters, and unemployed illiterate slum dwellers. They would never show such dedication to their cause unless they were being rewarded. And any one who suggests that they rebelled for nationalist reasons can never be more far from reality.

 
#8/08/2004 10:14:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Anonymous Anonymous

Sorry to post again but the previous post was from me

LadyBird

*forget to set my name

 
#8/09/2004 12:10:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger Heiko

Hi Khalid,

I should add that I would oppose the methods of the "resistance" even if they had targeted Saddam Hussein's regime (or Hitler or Stalin etc.).
How do you justify murdering honest policemen, putting bombs in front of mosques and churches, kidnapping Pakistani truck drivers, sawing the heads of relief workers etc...?

Best wishes,
Heiko

 
#8/09/2004 12:12:00 am Assalam Aleikom Anonymous Anonymous

I saw the press conference as well. Allawi was very arrogant, looking mean sometimes. You could really see his "mask" dropped once in a while. I do not think the reporters will dare to ask critical questions the next time. The press conference was full of lies and cheap retoric too. He said Iraq was prosperous now so people did not need to take money for insurgency activities any more. He also invited Sadr to take part in the coming elections while the day before the police/Iraqi security forces tried to arrest Sadr.I got the impression that he does not want to transfer power at all.Allawi is a joke. Saddam without moustache.

 
#8/09/2004 12:29:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger Heiko

Give me a break, being "mean" to reporters in a press conference doesn't make Allawi a dictator.

If he was like Saddam, you wouldn't be posting here for fear of being put through a shredder (literally speaking).

The elections are less than five months from now, so you'll see soon enough whether Allawi will give up power.

 
#8/09/2004 01:32:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger khalid jarrar

waaaw..i love all this, ok, after all, its a healthy festival, that we are making here, as long as we al respect each other, and as long as the goal is to complete each other, with information and points of view.
i wish i will have time to reply to all the posts, which i am willing to inshalla, right now i have to go but i cant stop myself from saying somethng about the shredders, in one of the post, ironically, this particuler machine, is the one that Allawi is acused to be the one who brough to Iraq, isnt that funny?
a head of an assasinations cell for the CIA, a baathist, and a prison-torturing improver, lets give the guy a chance, lets say 35 years?
the other thing, i remember i talked about allawi being a fashit dictator, how does that make me support bombing pipelines, criminals and kidnapping if truck drivers, and many other things mentioned in the posts above? give me a break! am a nice guy really!:))

 
#8/09/2004 01:41:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger emigre

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#8/09/2004 02:01:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger jeff

Dear Folks:

I am an American and I have opinions about what's going on in Iraq. But what I really feel when I read people like you, Khalid, is Thank You. I will try to learn from you. Not only you, other Iraqis who disagree with you, too. I found out some things I didn't know from reading Omar's stuff.

Some Americans say, "Why shouldn't we just have stayed home? We tried to help Iraq. They should be grateful."

My answer is, We have to learn from them, too, if really want to help the best way. I hope we will, whether it is to go away, or stay a short time, or do this, or do that. And if, God willing, Iraq is a happy place five years from now, I will be glad, I don't care if they are grateful or not.

So thank you to all the Iraqi bloggers who love your country. You make me love and respect Iraq, too.

Jeff

 
#8/09/2004 03:49:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger khalid jarrar

hey, nothing personel jeff, but if you are the same jeff from NY, who made a blog dedicated, and specialized for the jarrars, to say poison thing about them, if you are that same guy, then i have to say that you are playong a very dirty game, you come here and act cool and polite, you send me emails acting cool and polite, then when you write about me or my family you curse us and call us bad names, a dirty game jeff, i am sure you read in some stupid manual: you go and try to win the hearts of iraqis, but i am assuring you its not gonna work, guys, if anyone is interested, you can check my post earlier about this guy, on my blog, read it to know which kind of person he is, nothing personle i sware, just so you can give him the right evaluation, and so you dont get deceived by his so-sweet speech here.
thank you all!
this place rocks:)
me*

 
#8/09/2004 03:59:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger khalid jarrar

i am referring to my post at june 22nd, again, nothing personal, i welcome all kinds of openions, but i dont welcome dirty games, and i dont play it.
sorry you all have to go through this.
aw, and i wish i have time to comment on the iran-sadr relations, damn! :)
enough for today, good night everyone...
me*

 
#8/09/2004 08:58:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger Jeffrey

Khalid,

Ha ha. No, that "Jeff" was innocent. This is the real Jeffrey from New York. Pretty ticked off, right?

Interesting. This is the first time the Jarrars have allowed a discussion to take place. Khalid, I can feel how anxious you are that people are actually allowed to respond to your comments. I applaud you taking this big step.

As far as my "dirty game" is concerned, when any of the Jarrars wrote something I could agree with, I commended them and said so. You can go back and check the files. I really enjoyed your Mom's war diary, for example. I've gotten a big kick out of Raed, although he's most likely insane. I championed you Khalid in your fight this year with the Commando-Professors. But there was a lot that I couldn't agree with. And I said so. Yes, perhaps occasionally I was a bit too confrontational, but it makes for good press.

Anyway, I'm sitting back and enjoying this discussion. I think Ladybird and Heiko have you in a corner. I could be wrong, but that's how it looks to me.

Yes Khalid, I'm probably a bastard. C'est la vie.

Rock on, bro'!

Slip on the Sacred Black Pajamas and hoist the family AK!!!

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#8/09/2004 10:25:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger jeff

Sorry, no, I'm not Jeffrey from New York. I'm Jeff from Arlington, Virginia. I was saying what I really thought. Jeff is short for Jeffrey and the name is common in America, kind of like "Khalid" in Iraq, so I understand your mistake. I have no idea who your family is, never heard of them. So, can it be Pax, Salaam, between us?

Jeff

 
#8/09/2004 02:56:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger Aunt Najma

Khalid,

Thanks god, it's look like you have two jeffs now (the good one, who's also my friend. And the bad one, who's also your enemy)
I do such stuff too. I read your post and you're all right. He didn't have the right to say that, he's an Iraqi minister now, and he has to respect our traditions .

 
#8/09/2004 07:46:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Anonymous Anonymous

Khalid:

I have read a number of your blog entries, and I frankly find your position on the "resistance" confusing. In this string, you have vaguely denied being a supporter of the "resistance," although it is hard to tell from the comments what you really mean. Could you make your posistion on this issue clearer? Are you a "resistance" supporter, either active or passive, indifferent to the "resistance," or a "resistance" opponent, either active or passive?

You and your family have frequently disapproved of the U.S. and its policies and now have begun to express disapproval of the interim government. If you are not a supporter of the resistance, what are you for? In other words, which political group or policies do you favor? If you don't know or haven't decided, just tell us that.

Mark-In-ChiTown

 
#8/09/2004 08:54:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger Jeffrey

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#8/10/2004 01:10:00 am Assalam Aleikom Anonymous Anonymous

Jeffry
That is a very good point I was thinking about it also "why the Anti-coalition bloggers don't allow comments??".

I just want to ask every anti-coalition blogger or not blogger what is your alternative, if anyone give an answer of iraqis going to elect their own leader after the coalition get out of Iraq I will not answer this person because I will be busy the whole week laughing.

LadyBird

 
#8/10/2004 03:35:00 am Assalam Aleikom Anonymous Anonymous

This is amazing. Is this a dream Am I in my bed dreaming the a Jarrar's have posted a post with an open comments section. Can this be reality that we can now talk back to the Jarrar's. If this is not a major breakthrough in Iraqi - American relations, What is?

Madtom

 
#8/10/2004 06:57:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger Jeffrey

Hey Emigre, why did you delete that post that gave the historical background to the Deep Divide between the pro-Coalition and anti-Coalition Iraqi Bloggers? For the other commenters here, this is the post to which Ladybird refers. It was unobjectionable. No cursing, no ad hominems. What gives?

Ladybird, I've been following the all the Iraqi Bloggers from the very beginning. You can find my handle (Jeffrey -- New York) on all of those first comments pages, so I know the history pretty well. I've had an email correspondence with Raed and many times tried to get him and his family to enable a comments page, but they refuse and haven't given me a straight answer. Maybe you will have more luck than I've had.

Mad Tom,

I think you and I are still dreaming. Are we crazy to think that one of the Jarrars would engage in public debate?! Are we nuts?! Well, Khalid dipped his toe in the water and it looks like the water is still too cold for him to come in and join us.

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#8/10/2004 09:46:00 am Assalam Aleikom Blogger jeff

Jeffrey:

I am jeff from Arlington, who was mistaken for you.

I wish you would mention that there are bloggers who don't like the coalition, but have a more reflective tone. Ahmed at Life in Baghdad is one example. Another is Najma at The Star from Mosul. Politics is somewhat tangential to both these blogs, but it comes in in subtle ways even in The Star sometimes.

I'm not trying to take anybody's side, but I just suspect that there are a lot of Iraqis who are more like them than like either of the two camps you have divided people into. And they both have comments sections. Not everybody who has serious problems with what is going on in Iraq is shrill and a hothead!

Jeff

 
#8/10/2004 12:18:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Anonymous Anonymous

Jeff-Arlington you get it wrong
There is a different between not happy with the situation and Anti-coalition, I am not happy with the situation but I am not Anti-coalition (why not ? I will explain it very soon on my blog). I don't have any problem with both, one of the reasons that I started my blog is to discuss the situation with the opposition.

Look at the links the Jarra's put in their blog, I speak Arabic I can tell what kind of links. This is some Examples.
"Be proud, you live in Falluja" website
This web site is the meeting point for the terrorists praising the Al-Zarqawi and Bin-Laden. describing the killings of the Iraqi ING's as holly mision, trading beheadings video clips ....etc. I even wrote about this web site in my blog.

Another example

"Al-Basrah dot net"
This web site have nothing to do with Basra city it is a pseudo name for the meeting point for Bathists, the web site is full with Saddam's photos and images and guess what ?? his speeches.

The I will have a problem and I can choose between 2 ways handel my problem.

1-I can say I don't care, let them write what they want. everybody read what they write but nobody agrees with them (kind of beat me and I will still love you effect)and that what the most people do.

2-I can start a dog-fight with anyone want to get us back to the dark time of Saddam.
Somerset Maugham once said :
If you see a slave sleeping, don't wake him up maybe he is dreaming of his freedom, and I say if you see a slave sleeping wake him up and tell a bout his freedom.

So guess what I chose??

LadyBird

 
#8/10/2004 12:47:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Anonymous Anonymous

*Correction (Then I will Have .....) and not (The I will have ....)

Thank you

LadyBird

 
#8/10/2004 03:33:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger emigre

Jeffrey

You ask why your (long) comment was deleted. Several reasons. Perhaps you sum it up best yourself;

> (Quote) "I've been following the all the Iraqi Bloggers from the very beginning. You can find my handle (Jeffrey -- New York) on all of those first comments pages" (unquote).

Exactly. One might say you have over-extended yourself. It is time to clear a little space for other commenters.

Debate is fine, but if you have a long reply i suggest following Ladybird's example; post your reply on your own webpage, then leave a short sentence with a link to your post in the comments of the post you are replying to. I am willing to consider adding trackback for such use also, providing such use is genuine.

More on etiquette here.

 
#8/10/2004 05:32:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger Jeffrey

Emigre,

It was NOT a long comment. Three or four paragraphs at most. You are being very dishonest. You did not like the CONTENT. It had nothing to do with length. Ladybird responded positively to that post and it must have angered you. You can also ask her if it was too long.

Because I have been commenting since the beginning of the Iraqi Bloggers does not make my comments any less valid.

But, in deference to you, I will add some hyperlinks to blogs from Iraqi Bloggers Central that deal with some of the issues in front of us.

*

 
#8/10/2004 05:47:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger emigre

Jeffrey,

It was a long comment, as are your comments often. Although length was one reason it was deleted, length was not the sole reason and you know that well. The meaning of Ladybird's comment remains in context even without yours.

You have not been above banning and deleting comments on your own site, you know very well why yours was deleted here.

Let us leave it at that and move on.

 
#8/10/2004 08:34:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger Jeffrey

Emigre,

I'll try to shorten my comments.

BTW, check out my response to you over at Iraqi Bloggers Central. I think I make some good points.

Thanks for letting my other comments remain posted.

*

 
#8/11/2004 02:56:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Blogger Paul Edwards

Do any of the Iraqis here have friends who would like to engage in debate but don't know how to write English? If so, could you get them to go to:

http://www.thinktam.com/askiraq/viewforum.php?f=30

where Arabic is used? I'd really like to see a vigorous inter-Iraqi debate, and then harass someone else to translate the highlights. Any chance?

 
#8/11/2004 09:30:00 pm Assalam Aleikom Anonymous Anonymous

Paul Edwards:

Abu Khaleel over at "Iraqi Letter to America" is looking for somone to defend Neo-con policies. I have taken the liberty of putting your name forward (hope you don't mind). I think a debate between you and Abu Khaleel would be illuminating for many. The link is http://iraquna.blogspot.com/.

Mark in Chi-Town

 

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